2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

[Rover]

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Dude...dead loser issue. Any vote for this will Force one to move to south central if they hold any hope for re-election.
Even AOC base in the Bronx will run from this and complain that Latinos were never made slaves!!!!

Continually amazing how so many here think they live somewhere else other than America on earth

God forbid for me writing this, but mookie is correct. I think I need a long shower now.

I did, in fact, read Booker's proposal which was a bunch of vague ideas meant to "start a conversation". The problem with said conversation is reparations means different things to different people. If you are in fact a descendant of slaves, you may be expecting a check in the mail for the present value of 40 acres and a mule granted in 1865-66.

But, if you are anybody who's family got here after the Civil War, or who never owned slaves, or who is struggling economically themselves, you will push those voters to vote GOP. If the GOP obtains total control of the govt again, not only will they not entertain reparations discussions, they will use their majority as a mandate to INCREASE income inequality. That's the part you do-gooders never seem to understand. The opposition are Nazis just waiting to pounce. Reparations, ANY talk of it, is a political loser which only serves to divide the good guys and unite the bad guys. Unless you get off on losing elections (Kep, trix, Scooby) I really don't see the point.

 

[SJHovey]

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My bet is not a single one of the critics has read it. They hear the R word, their eyes roll into the back of their heads, and they start screaming "UNCLEAN, UNCLEAN!!!!"

Here's the entire text of the House equivalent bill. It takes five minutes to read. Ten if you're from the Midwest. If we have any from the South get somebody to read it to you.

Here's the meat:

SEC. 3. ESTABLISHMENT AND DUTIES.

(a) Establishment.—There is established the Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans (hereinafter in this Act referred to as the “Commission”).

(b) Duties.—The Commission shall perform the following duties:

(1) Identify, compile and synthesize the relevant corpus of evidentiary documentation of the institution of slavery which existed within the United States and the colonies that became the United States from 1619 through 1865. The Commission’s documentation and examination shall include but not be limited to the facts related to—

(A) the capture and procurement of Africans;

(B) the transport of Africans to the United States and the colonies that became the United States for the purpose of enslavement, including their treatment during transport;

(C) the sale and acquisition of Africans as chattel property in interstate and intrastate commerce;

(D) the treatment of African slaves in the colonies and the United States, including the deprivation of their freedom, exploitation of their labor, and destruction of their culture, language, religion, and families; and

(E) the extensive denial of humanity, sexual abuse and the chatellization of persons.

(2) The role which the Federal and State governments of the United States supported the institution of slavery in constitutional and statutory provisions, including the extent to which such governments prevented, opposed, or restricted efforts of formerly enslaved Africans and their descendants to repatriate to their homeland.

(3) The Federal and State laws that discriminated against formerly enslaved Africans and their descendants who were deemed United States citizens from 1868 to the present.

(4) The other forms of discrimination in the public and private sectors against freed African slaves and their descendants who were deemed United States citizens from 1868 to the present, including redlining, educational funding discrepancies, and predatory financial practices.

(5) The lingering negative effects of the institution of slavery and the matters described in paragraphs (1), (2), (3), (4), (5), and (6) on living African-Americans and on society in the United States.

(6) Recommend appropriate ways to educate the American public of the Commission’s findings.

(7) Recommend appropriate remedies in consideration of the Commission’s findings on the matters described in paragraphs (1), (2), (3), (4), (5), and (6). In making such recommendations, the Commission shall address among other issues, the following questions:

(A) How such recommendations comport with international standards of remedy for wrongs and injuries caused by the State, that include full reparations and special measures, as understood by various relevant international protocols, laws, and findings.

(B) How the Government of the United States will offer a formal apology on behalf of the people of the United States for the perpetration of gross human rights violations and crimes against humanity on African slaves and their descendants.

(C) How Federal laws and policies that continue to disproportionately and negatively affect African-Americans as a group, and those that perpetuate the lingering effects, materially and psycho-social, can be eliminated.

(D) How the injuries resulting from matters described in paragraphs (1), (2), (3), (4), (5), and (6) can be reversed and provide appropriate policies, programs, projects and recommendations for the purpose of reversing the injuries.

(E) How, in consideration of the Commission’s findings, any form of compensation to the descendants of enslaved African is calculated.

(F) What form of compensation should be awarded, through what instrumentalities and who should be eligible for such compensation.

(G) How, in consideration of the Commission’s findings, any other forms of rehabilitation or restitution to African descendants is warranted and what the form and scope of those measures should take.

(c) Report To Congress.—The Commission shall submit a written report of its findings and recommendations to the Congress not later than the date which is one year after the date of the first meeting of the Commission held pursuant to section 4(c).

I read the bill yesterday, because I was curious. I also skimmed Trixie's article, although I didn't spend much time on it.

The House companion bill itself is only about establishing a commission. And yeah, there is a lot of language in that bill, and in Booker's speeches, about passing laws intending to mitigate financial inequalities in the country that may have stemmed at least in part from slavery. Although I think you have pointed out that "poor" knows no race.

But all of that said, let's not kid ourselves about what at least part of the intent of the House bill is (and I assume Booker's companion bill).

 

[trixR4kids]

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Yeah and your stupid neoliberal answers to everything resulted in us getting those nazis into power with a super majority so maybe we need to rethink that approach.

 

[Rover]

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From Kep's post:

"(D) How the injuries resulting from matters described in paragraphs (1), (2), (3), (4), (5), and (6) can be reversed and provide appropriate policies, programs, projects and recommendations for the purpose of reversing the injuries.

(E) How, in consideration of the Commission’s findings, any form of compensation to the descendants of enslaved African is calculated.

(F) What form of compensation should be awarded, through what instrumentalities and who should be eligible for such compensation.

(G) How, in consideration of the Commission’s findings, any other forms of rehabilitation or restitution to African descendants is warranted and what the form and scope of those measures should take"

So in your opinion Kep, those nice, fair minded Republicans would NEVER make hay with the actual wording of the bill which repeatedly mentioned restitution and compensation. There's something to be said about not getting into a fist fight with your eyes closed and your jaw sticking out.

Yeah and your stupid neoliberal answers to everything resulted in us getting those nazis into power with a super majority so maybe we need to rethink that approach.

Yes because Sanders loons like yourself either voted FOR Trump or sat out the election. Congratulations. I guess?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I read the bill yesterday, because I was curious. I also skimmed Trixie's article, although I didn't spend much time on it.

The House companion bill itself is only about establishing a commission. And yeah, there is a lot of language in that bill, and in Booker's speeches, about passing laws intending to mitigate financial inequalities in the country that may have stemmed at least in part from slavery. Although I think you have pointed out that "poor" knows no race.

But all of that said, let's not kid ourselves about what at least part of the intent of the House bill is (and I assume Booker's companion bill).

None of this would even be discussed at all if the United States was still a middle class driven nation. But, now, this country is all about the 1%. And when that happens the 99% will try anything to get something resembling the American Dream.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Yes because Sanders loons like yourself either voted FOR Trump or sat out the election. Congratulations. I guess?

Yeah blame something that happens in literally every election including both of Obama's wins . I would probably do the same if I made as many embarrassing posts in 2015.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Although I think you have pointed out that "poor" knows no race.

Booker's proposal doesn't either which is why the last 2-3 pages have been especially hilarious.

 

[Rover]

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Yeah blame something that happens in literally every election including both of Obama's wins . I would probably do the same if I made as many embarrassing posts in 2015.

You've made more embarrassing posts in the last week! But hey, who's counting.

 

[Kepler]

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While I don't think (other than a small handful of people like pokechecker and Frauddy) anyone here is overtly racist it's kinda telling that people went full derp when they saw the word "reparations" and didn't even bother to look at what Booker proposed. And you can claim we're having a separate conversation from that but it wasn't exactly a productive one when people are just spouting off nonsense about some reparations strawman that literally nobody proposed.HAHAHAHAHAHHAA yeah geeeee I wonder why that could be

This. trix manages to say it without my habitual windbaggery and malice.

 

[trixR4kids]

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That's almost a Sica level false equivalency but you're getting there by the minute!

 

[Kepler]

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You've made more embarrassing posts in the last week! But hey, who's counting.

Um, dude. I'm sure you don't realize it but you've been on a roll, even for you. You're the Chris Davis of the Cafe right now. 'Least the pay's good.

 

[Kepler]

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None of this would even be discussed at all if the United States was still a middle class driven nation. But, now, this country is all about the 1%. And when that happens the 99% will try anything to get something resembling the American Dream.

There's a lot of truth to this, too.

While I don't think it precludes the logic of reparations, it certainly has contributed to the helpless desperation of the times. Thanks again, Reagan / Dubya / Dump voters. Your legacy will outlast you and torture your children, so you've got that going for you, which is nice.

 

[Rover]

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Um, dude. I'm sure you don't realize it but you've been on a roll, even for you. You're the Chris Davis of the Cafe right now. 'Least the pay's good.

Please, if you were pitching Chris Davis would be putting up Ruthian numbers right now. You (and trix) just walk right into haymakers time and time and time again. But hey, you get to fall back on that "first they laugh at you" schtick..

 

[trixR4kids]

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The only people walking into haymakers the last few pages are the morons who clearly didn't read the proposal and got called out on their ridiculous straw-manning that would make Ben Shapiro blush.

 

[Rover]

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The only people walking into haymakers the last few pages are the morons who clearly didn't read the proposal and got called out on their ridiculous straw-manning that would make Ben Shapiro blush.

Even though we cited the House bill that was posted on this very subject? Huh.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Yeah like 3 pages after you showed your hand lmao.

 

[Kepler]

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Yeah like 3 pages after you showed your hand lmao.

He's a useful idiot. Deploy him when we need him for the purples, then back to the gimp room.

 

[Rover]

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He's a useful idiot. Deploy him when we need him for the purples, then back to the gimp room.

Remind me again of all the progressives on the Kep approved list who've won Presidential elections!

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I think they do, what he proposed isn't exactly radical despite what a few blowhards on here said about their strawman version of reparations.

So you don’t know what they mean. It’s ok to just say that.

Kepler and trix, a five-act play:

K+T: Reparations bill
K+T: They probably didn’t even read it
K+T: They definitely didn’t read it
K+T: Racists!
K+T: Argument won *smug high fives*


If you two extremists want to be taken seriously, maybe make serious proposals that actually will have the intended effect. I like you both but this is hilarious.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Right, except Booker literally did that. A savings program for low income children (of any race) is a moderate proposal. And your post would only be valid if people actually did read the proposal (one literally admitted he didn’t and the others it was obvious based on what they posted) and what Booker proposed was extreme.