It’s impossible to win by only appealing to the liberal wing of the party.
A large part of the 1000+ seat loss is that the democrats have lost the rural working class
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2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country
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It’s impossible to win by only appealing to the liberal wing of the party.
A large part of the 1000+ seat loss is that the democrats have lost the rural working class
rufus
rock and roller
Cause they're "economically anxious".
Yet they continue to vote for the party that sends their jobs overseas and their tax money to the 1%.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country
And I don't see that changing any time soon. But, there are enough sane people in the US to elect a Democratic majority to the Senate, House, and White House. Just need to find a way to get them to the polls.
And I don't see that changing any time soon. But, there are enough sane people in the US to elect a Democratic majority to the Senate, House, and White House. Just need to find a way to get them to the polls.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country
Let me see if I have this straight.
From 1968 - 1988 Dems ran arch liberals for Prez. They won exactly one election, which is when a more moderate candidate (Carter) triumphed. They lost 5. They also got absolutely crushed in 3 of those elections (1972, 1984, 1988) with very liberal nominees.
From 1992 - 2016, Dems have won 4 out of 7 times. They had a Dem serve two full terms for the first time since FDR (Clinton). They had a Prez win 51% of the vote in both elections for the first time since Eisenhower. They've won the popular vote in 6 of those 7 contests and the other loss (2004) was relatively narrow.
BUT, based on the Bernie caucus, who apparently knows more about winning elections that Barack Obama (I mean, I'm an arrogant guy, but geesh that's even a leap for me!) we should go BACK to nominating the people who lost every election where they were the nominee? Huh.
Let me see if I have this straight.
From 1968 - 1988 Dems ran arch liberals for Prez. They won exactly one election, which is when a more moderate candidate (Carter) triumphed. They lost 5. They also got absolutely crushed in 3 of those elections (1972, 1984, 1988) with very liberal nominees.
From 1992 - 2016, Dems have won 4 out of 7 times. They had a Dem serve two full terms for the first time since FDR (Clinton). They had a Prez win 51% of the vote in both elections for the first time since Eisenhower. They've won the popular vote in 6 of those 7 contests and the other loss (2004) was relatively narrow.
BUT, based on the Bernie caucus, who apparently knows more about winning elections that Barack Obama (I mean, I'm an arrogant guy, but geesh that's even a leap for me!) we should go BACK to nominating the people who lost every election where they were the nominee? Huh.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country
So, basically what you're saying is the Democrats have to be conservative light to win. Oh goody. You're right though. That's the country we live in. Despite all this love of progressive policies, progressive taxation, and progressive rights for the minority we really would rather be conservative and incremental about things. And whenever possible we love to cut taxes for everybody, cause it's not fair to cut them for the people that don't pay the same amount even though they earn and have so much less.
So, yes, conservative light again please. Cause that's America.
So, basically what you're saying is the Democrats have to be conservative light to win. Oh goody. You're right though. That's the country we live in. Despite all this love of progressive policies, progressive taxation, and progressive rights for the minority we really would rather be conservative and incremental about things. And whenever possible we love to cut taxes for everybody, cause it's not fair to cut them for the people that don't pay the same amount even though they earn and have so much less.
So, yes, conservative light again please. Cause that's America.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country
No, I'm saying stop applying purity tests especially retroactive ones to people who have won or you risk looking like a fool. You're also playing right into the GOP's hands. If the Democrats have no "heroes" in living memory (very few people left who remember FDR's Presidency in its entirety) then there's no legacy to build upon nor a way to appeal to the electorate based on past performance. Astounds me that some people think the best way to win the next election is by loudly declaring we haven't had a true liberal winner since 1944!!!
No, I'm saying stop applying purity tests especially retroactive ones to people who have won or you risk looking like a fool. You're also playing right into the GOP's hands. If the Democrats have no "heroes" in living memory (very few people left who remember FDR's Presidency in its entirety) then there's no legacy to build upon nor a way to appeal to the electorate based on past performance. Astounds me that some people think the best way to win the next election is by loudly declaring we haven't had a true liberal winner since 1944!!!
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yet Obama, as centrist as he was as President, was light years better than Trump
yet Obama, as centrist as he was as President, was light years better than Trump
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country
Who's applying a purity test? If Biden wins, I vote for him. If Liz wins, I vote for her. I can't "fix" other people. However, in the primary I'm going Liz if she's still around for Minnesota.
Who's applying a purity test? If Biden wins, I vote for him. If Liz wins, I vote for her. I can't "fix" other people. However, in the primary I'm going Liz if she's still around for Minnesota.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country
Yet, after 8 years of Obama people elected Trump and more conservatives to more offices than ever before. There's always two sides to every coin.
And, EVERY President was better than Trump. Even W, who was the worst before Trump was light years better.
Yet, after 8 years of Obama people elected Trump and more conservatives to more offices than ever before. There's always two sides to every coin.
And, EVERY President was better than Trump. Even W, who was the worst before Trump was light years better.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country
W is responsible for the death and suffering of millions. it's pretty tough to beat that, but Trump is trying
W is responsible for the death and suffering of millions. it's pretty tough to beat that, but Trump is trying
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country
Trump's policies will eventually kill billions.
Trump's policies will eventually kill billions.
ericredaxe
Veteran
Basically yes. Like it or not, America as a whole is probably pretty much center-right fiscally and center-left socially.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country
Calling all past Dem Presidents "centrists" is stupid. Those people were liberal for their times.
Calling all past Dem Presidents "centrists" is stupid. Those people were liberal for their times.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country
Uh, no. Extreme Right fiscally and center-right socially is more accurate. Trickle down has been the economic theory and application for over 40 years and that is an extreme position. Socially we have not progressed beyond what a 5-4 decision in the Supreme Court will net the country. A 5-4 that no longer exists. That points right, not left.
Uh, no. Extreme Right fiscally and center-right socially is more accurate. Trickle down has been the economic theory and application for over 40 years and that is an extreme position. Socially we have not progressed beyond what a 5-4 decision in the Supreme Court will net the country. A 5-4 that no longer exists. That points right, not left.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country
They all have been since FDR.
They all have been since FDR.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country
Two questions: 1) you wouldn't be trying to invent some woe is me meme in order to play with yourself to, and 2) you aren't out in public right now, are you? Just trying to avoid another ugly incident.
Two questions: 1) you wouldn't be trying to invent some woe is me meme in order to play with yourself to, and 2) you aren't out in public right now, are you? Just trying to avoid another ugly incident.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country
No, I've accepted that I live in a right wing utopia. I've long moved passed the other (4) stages.
Two questions: 1) you wouldn't be trying to invent some woe is me meme in order to play with yourself to, and 2) you aren't out in public right now, are you? Just trying to avoid another ugly incident.
No, I've accepted that I live in a right wing utopia. I've long moved passed the other (4) stages.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country
On the campaign front. Liz has released her plan for paying for Medicare for All.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...DwDwVMMkilX0adoO1eTtoO7jvNk0JOTY3Ihslp-GVE31I
It should shut Mayor Pete up.
On the campaign front. Liz has released her plan for paying for Medicare for All.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...DwDwVMMkilX0adoO1eTtoO7jvNk0JOTY3Ihslp-GVE31I
It should shut Mayor Pete up.
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country
Which they now need to get in the suburbs.
Which they now need to get in the suburbs.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers Vi: The Undiscovered Country
I dont think you are who Rover is alluding too for the most part
I dont think you are who Rover is alluding too for the most part
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