2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

I have previously said I would vote for any Democrat nominated over Trump. She might be the exception to that statement.

I would vote for Williamson over any Republican.

I would vote for Williamson over Dump in the Republican primary.

This is how bad they are / he is.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

I would vote for Williamson over any Republican.

I would vote for Williamson over Dump in the Republican primary.

This is how bad they are / he is.

I would vote for Toe Jam over any Republican.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

Lol

“JUST IN: Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang said his microphone was "not on" a few times when he attempted to speak at the recent Democratic debate, following an analysis that found Yang had the least amount of speaking time of all 20 candidates who participated in the two recent debates.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/...-was-not-on-at-times-during-democratic-debate

 

[BassAle]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

18 months before the election and 6 months before the first primary? Why?

I hate to give the DNC credit for anything but they're handling it correctly. Start with a very broad field, give anyone with 1% their 15 minutes, then winnow it by upping the requirements. Let the cream rise to the top.

There was no problem at all with the 10 person debates as a first pass. People get way too judgy judgy about this stuff. No need to be impatient.

the two 10 person debates were fine for the first pass

I have no interest in trying to get anyone else, who did not make the cut this time, into the next debate.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

I would vote for Williamson over any Republican.

I would vote for Williamson over Dump in the Republican primary.

This is how bad they are / he is.

Fortunately we don't have to worry about that.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

Lol

“JUST IN: Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang said his microphone was "not on" a few times when he attempted to speak at the recent Democratic debate, following an analysis that found Yang had the least amount of speaking time of all 20 candidates who participated in the two recent debates.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/...-was-not-on-at-times-during-democratic-debate

Reminds me of someone. Can't remember who.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

I have no interest in trying to get anyone else, who did not make the cut this time, into the next debate.

Oh, OK, I'm tracking now. I agree with that with the condition that if somebody with nothing now shoots up to say 5% for the next one and that's the cut then she's in. Say, if Sherrod Brown declared.

My pick for

Months before convention vs Cutoff %:

14   1
12   2
10   3
 8   5
 6  10
 4  20
 2  33

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

Let's throw out all data and say we're right!

Pretty much been your MO around here for years

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

Pretty much been your MO around here for years

No not really... I've used data to support my conclusions about the popularity of progressive ideas repeatedly. But you're not a data guy and have made your hatred of it clear so I don't expect you to follow along

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

It's OK, he had his time and my god he made a difference. He needs to stay in to have somebody farther left than Warren so all those Very Serious People can choose her as the moderate version of him and pat themselves on the back.

You know how you think there is no such thing as a Bernie Bros? Funny you say everything they do. Reminds me of the Righties around here who never watch Faux but repeat their talking points verbatim

And if you dont get what I mean...you basically are labeling Warren as the "Centrist Progressive" which is what the BBs do to try and stop anyone Left of Center from supporting her and staying true to Saint Bernie. If Warren cant pass the Purity Test you might want to step back and re-evaluate.

I am not worried though...since Kamala won the debate according to most pundits the BBs will target her for a while. I am sure there is all sorts of proof she is a "Centrist Forever War Monger Who Is a Corpratist Shill" too. The Twitter Caucasus is working on their "evidence" as we speak I am sure

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

Warren isn't all that clear on her healthcare policy and still hasn't listed it on her website. That's kinda important at this stage seeing as it's one of the most important issues and has been for a while...

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

You know how you think there is no such thing as a Bernie Bros? Funny you say everything they do. Reminds me of the Righties around here who never watch Faux but repeat their talking points verbatim

And if you dont get what I mean...you basically are labeling Warren as the "Centrist Progressive" which is what the BBs do to try and stop anyone Left of Center from supporting her and staying true to Saint Bernie. If Warren cant pass the Purity Test you might want to step back and re-evaluate.

I am not worried though...since Kamala won the debate according to most pundits the BBs will target her for a while. I am sure there is all sorts of proof she is a "Centrist Forever War Monger Who Is a Corpratist Shill" too. The Twitter Caucasus is working on their "evidence" as we speak I am sure

This is so dumb.

I love Warren and she's my first choice. Please try reading what people say instead of just projecting whatever garbage is in your head. My choices right now are Warren, Harris, and then I'm open to ideas. I know Booker's a shark but he might be my third, and that would give me 2 actual centrist progressives after my first choice who is an unabashed liberal who I have NEVER said anything askance about.

Warren is to the right of Bernie on some things. That's just a f-cking fact. I don't think it's disparaging. She's still an incredible improvement over every Dem nominee since McGovern. Warren's policies if enacted would go a long way towards saving our country.

Whatever's up your butt about me just get the f-ck over it already. If it's some leftover Clinton-Bernie thing like your pal Rover FFS don't you understand that all that is dead and buried?

Look forward you idiot. We need to win and you are not helping.

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

No not really... I've used data to support my conclusions about the popularity of progressive ideas repeatedly. But you're not a data guy and have made your hatred of it clear so I don't expect you to follow along

No I love data (I am a teacher duh) I dont like when people mold stats to prove their point and then ignore other stats that prove them completely wrong. That is what you have been doing which is why literally no one buys what you post around here even Kepler half the time. (and if anyone would buy your "facts" it is the man who thinks Bernie is too far Center )

I will give you this though, you represent the Twitter Caucus perfectly. Post random "fact", get proven wrong, ignore proof and then accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a "centrist". Then attack any candidate who isnt 100% pure of being a sellout. Then blame everyone else for their losses and move the goalposts 12 times before changing the subject to the next set of "facts"

It is entertaining to say the least though so A+

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

He started off well enough, but got progressively louder and more "Viva la revolución, camarada!", as he does. Then he really went downhill when they brought up guns and he tried to deny the quote Maddow read to him as a "mischaracterization", to uproarious laughter from the audience.

Yeah but what would you know you are just a "Centrist War Wongering Corpratist Shill" like me and Elizabeth Warren/Kamala Harris/Everyone Else Who Will Win Before Bernie Does

(I can tell Bernie didnt do great because trix seems rather ornery today and the BBs on Twitter seem on the defensive)

I wonder where all this love for Bernie was when no one outside the Beltway had heard of him a decade ago...

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

No I love data

And yet you outright hate on it in every baseball debate, hockey analytics, politics, literally every aspect of life in which it's useful. But you love it!I'm sure if you repeat that enough times to yourself you'll believe it lol. This coming from the guy who cited completely wrong impeachment stats the other day lmao.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

and if anyone would buy your "facts" it is the man who thinks Bernie is too far Center

Don't misrepresent my position, I consider Bernie far right. He hasn't even mentioned liquidating the kulaks. What a corporatist.

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

This is so dumb.

I love Warren and she's my first choice. Please try reading what people say instead of just projecting whatever garbage is in your head. My choices right now are Warren, Harris, and then I'm open to ideas. I know Booker's a shark but he might be my third, and that would give me 2 actual centrist progressives after my first choice who is an unabashed liberal who I have NEVER said anything askance about.

Warren is to the right of Bernie on some things. That's just a f-cking fact. I don't think it's disparaging. She's still an incredible improvement over every Dem nominee since McGovern. Warren's policies if enacted would go a long way towards saving our country.

Whatever's up your butt about me just get the f-ck over it already. If it's some leftover Clinton-Bernie thing like your pal Rover FFS don't you understand that all that is dead and buried?

Look forward you idiot. We need to win and you are not helping.

I did read what you said and I think maybe you should go back and re-read it.

He needs to stay in to have somebody farther left than Warren so all those Very Serious People can choose her as the moderate version of him and pat themselves on the back.

See that doesnt read as "I love Warren she is a great choice" that reads as "Warren is the lesser version that people will vote for because they arent good enough to choose Bernie". Now I will concede you may not have meant it that way...but then maybe choose your words better You also arent exactly shy about denigrating those you think arent up to your standards and seeing as Rover loves Warren it isnt much of a leap for you to turn on her just on that fact alone

It pains me to say this because I like Bernie way more than I like Warren (that might be a bit of an exaggeration but overall he is my choice over her every time for various reasons) but she is, right now, a better candidate than he is. She isnt perfect, but her "minuses" are no worse than Bernie's and her "pluses" just seem to be better than his. Plus, unlike Bernie, she (and Kamala) are just perfect epic trolls to Trump.

She might not always be the better candidate but she is no moderate compromise from Bernie either as you imply. I will mea culpa though I may have substituted Rover in for Warren a bit too much

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

Don't misrepresent my position, I consider Bernie far right. He hasn't even mentioned liquidating the kulaks. What a corporatist.

Well YOU can say that...if I say it no one would believe me cause no one thinks you are THAT nuts

I gotta say, it would be funny if like a true blue, 100% pure Socialist ran to see what would happen with Bernie's crew. I mean obviously some would stay pure but I wonder how many would walk away in the face of pure Socialism. Would Bernie be branded "A Centrist Gun Loving Corpratist Shill"

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

Well YOU can say that...if I say it no one would believe me cause no one thinks you are THAT nuts

I gotta say, it would be funny if like a true blue, 100% pure Socialist ran to see what would happen with Bernie's crew. I mean obviously some would stay pure but I wonder how many would walk away in the face of pure Socialism. Would Bernie be branded "A Centrist Gun Loving Corpratist Shill"

Yes, cause nothing he's proposing is socialism.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: The Wrath of Warren

This is so dumb.

I love Warren and she's my first choice. Please try reading what people say instead of just projecting whatever garbage is in your head. My choices right now are Warren, Harris, and then I'm open to ideas. I know Booker's a shark but he might be my third, and that would give me 2 actual centrist progressives after my first choice who is an unabashed liberal who I have NEVER said anything askance about.

Warren is to the right of Bernie on some things. That's just a f-cking fact. I don't think it's disparaging. She's still an incredible improvement over every Dem nominee since McGovern. Warren's policies if enacted would go a long way towards saving our country.

Whatever's up your butt about me just get the f-ck over it already. If it's some leftover Clinton-Bernie thing like your pal Rover FFS don't you understand that all that is dead and buried?

Look forward you idiot. We need to win and you are not helping.

Right now I am:

1. Warren
2. Harris
3. I can't pick.