ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
Hardly.
John Kerry
Al Gore
Michael Dukakis
Walter Mondale
Hardly.
John Kerry
Al Gore
Michael Dukakis
Walter Mondale
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2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
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trixR4kids
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
Which of them lost to Donald Trump?
Which of them lost to Donald Trump?
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
John Kerry, Michael Dukakis, and Al Gore all lost to candidates with less Charisma than Donald Trump. Your narrative is wrong.
John Kerry, Michael Dukakis, and Al Gore all lost to candidates with less Charisma than Donald Trump. Your narrative is wrong.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
Yeah, sorry but I don't buy that. Goopers were suppressing votes 2012 too and it didn't help. The sophistication of the Russian effort was far more high level than anything the dunderheads in the GOP could have come up with. Particularly the social media part. If you don't think they wouldn't have done the same thing to Sanders you're out of your mind. Especially with all the sexual harassment beefs with his campaign in 2016 that are now coming out. Russia would have hacked those e-mails and sent that to Wikileaks all during Oct-Nov.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019...t-becker-women-inappropriate-behavior-1093836
Yeah, sorry but I don't buy that. Goopers were suppressing votes 2012 too and it didn't help. The sophistication of the Russian effort was far more high level than anything the dunderheads in the GOP could have come up with. Particularly the social media part. If you don't think they wouldn't have done the same thing to Sanders you're out of your mind. Especially with all the sexual harassment beefs with his campaign in 2016 that are now coming out. Russia would have hacked those e-mails and sent that to Wikileaks all during Oct-Nov.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019...t-becker-women-inappropriate-behavior-1093836
trixR4kids
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
Lmao, none of the candidates Scooby mentioned lost to someone as blatantly moronic, (provably) racist, childish, and had as many previous scandals as the current president. Losing to him is far worse than losing to W or HW it's not even close and I say that as someone who recognizes that W was one of the worst presidents of all time.
Lmao, none of the candidates Scooby mentioned lost to someone as blatantly moronic, (provably) racist, childish, and had as many previous scandals as the current president. Losing to him is far worse than losing to W or HW it's not even close and I say that as someone who recognizes that W was one of the worst presidents of all time.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
You say that as if those traits were seen as negatives. That is what got people excited and to the polls.
You say that as if those traits were seen as negatives. That is what got people excited and to the polls.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
The stated GOP approach is to make Beto look like he loves oil and is a borderline racist to the left so he gets primaried out - leaving us with a field of left wing candidates any one of which are easy to position as 'socialists'. Ready the trolls.
In competitive intelligence, its critical to know how your enemy thinks he can beat you.
The stated GOP approach is to make Beto look like he loves oil and is a borderline racist to the left so he gets primaried out - leaving us with a field of left wing candidates any one of which are easy to position as 'socialists'. Ready the trolls.
In competitive intelligence, its critical to know how your enemy thinks he can beat you.
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
All W really had to separate himself from Gore *was* his folksy charisma. Gore was the android in 2000.
All W really had to separate himself from Gore *was* his folksy charisma. Gore was the android in 2000.
trixR4kids
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
Yeah... Barack also had more appeal than Hillary (especially among black voters) and Romney was basically just another establishment/RINO type that didn't exactly excite the base nearly as much as Trump. Not to mention NC was blue up until 2012 and Wisconsin's voter ID law wasn't yet in effect (was blocked by the courts). Losing those two states basically lost the election.
Not really, they just kinda put her baggage out there for the world to see and she had a ton of it.
The racism sure, that certainly motivated the 35% built in base he currently has.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
Agreed. In my opinion what they are most interested in doing is sowing discord; right now they have the left vs center division to exploit. And we're willing to fall for it -- at Kos that sort of trolling inevitable results in rhetorical bloodshed even though there are plenty of voices there explaining that this is obviously bots and Republicans acting as agents provocateur.
I expect them to also play this game with: female vs male candidates, white vs POC candidates, black vs brown candidates. Dump and the GOP are such a sh-tshow they need to foment civil disorder on the D side to have any chance. We have to protect ourselves against their attacks. The best protection is education: we must bear in mind that American conservatism is so intellectually and morally bankrupt that they can only sabotage our side.
Agreed. In my opinion what they are most interested in doing is sowing discord; right now they have the left vs center division to exploit. And we're willing to fall for it -- at Kos that sort of trolling inevitable results in rhetorical bloodshed even though there are plenty of voices there explaining that this is obviously bots and Republicans acting as agents provocateur.
I expect them to also play this game with: female vs male candidates, white vs POC candidates, black vs brown candidates. Dump and the GOP are such a sh-tshow they need to foment civil disorder on the D side to have any chance. We have to protect ourselves against their attacks. The best protection is education: we must bear in mind that American conservatism is so intellectually and morally bankrupt that they can only sabotage our side.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
If I remember correctly the whole, who would you rather have a beer with was big in 2000.
If I remember correctly the whole, who would you rather have a beer with was big in 2000.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
There's no need to pigeon hole candidates as "left" or "moderate," especially not now when none of them has released a statement of aims and principles. The media likes that because it's cheap, shallow analysis. The candidates themselves like to label their opponents because that can only winnow appeal. But we should all realize that such labels are great oversimplifications that hide details which can be harder to generalize about but which reflect reality.
For example, was Obama "left" or "moderate"? We can all come up with half a dozen examples of him being either. That's what governance does.
I have preference on particular issues but I don't have a purity test. Every Democratic candidate who has announced or is likely to announce is fine by me. The mission of this election is not to nominate my dream, it's to sweep the Republicans from office everywhere from the White House to the local dog catcher, hopefully to render them a toothless regional party until they renounce fascism.
There's no need to pigeon hole candidates as "left" or "moderate," especially not now when none of them has released a statement of aims and principles. The media likes that because it's cheap, shallow analysis. The candidates themselves like to label their opponents because that can only winnow appeal. But we should all realize that such labels are great oversimplifications that hide details which can be harder to generalize about but which reflect reality.
For example, was Obama "left" or "moderate"? We can all come up with half a dozen examples of him being either. That's what governance does.
I have preference on particular issues but I don't have a purity test. Every Democratic candidate who has announced or is likely to announce is fine by me. The mission of this election is not to nominate my dream, it's to sweep the Republicans from office everywhere from the White House to the local dog catcher, hopefully to render them a toothless regional party until they renounce fascism.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
The point was the Russians ability to keep nothingburger stories in the news (unless you think there WAS something to Hillary's e-mails trix) and time them perfectly to distract from Trump's blunders by using both social media and manipulating the national media (see the NY Times for example).
Had Bernie been the nominee the now known widespread sexual harassment going on in his campaign would have been front and center in the news and instead of an effort to keep blacks and lefties home the Russians would have used that to keep women home. There's also be a constant barrage of his wife being under a federal investigation at the time for ripping off a college in Burlington, as well as how Sanders didn't seem to have a steady job until like age 40 when elected mayor of Burlington so how was he supporting himself for the 20 years after college. You still subscribe to the Bernie as the Messiah schtick which is amusing to say the least.
The point was the Russians ability to keep nothingburger stories in the news (unless you think there WAS something to Hillary's e-mails trix) and time them perfectly to distract from Trump's blunders by using both social media and manipulating the national media (see the NY Times for example).
Had Bernie been the nominee the now known widespread sexual harassment going on in his campaign would have been front and center in the news and instead of an effort to keep blacks and lefties home the Russians would have used that to keep women home. There's also be a constant barrage of his wife being under a federal investigation at the time for ripping off a college in Burlington, as well as how Sanders didn't seem to have a steady job until like age 40 when elected mayor of Burlington so how was he supporting himself for the 20 years after college. You still subscribe to the Bernie as the Messiah schtick which is amusing to say the least.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
I believe Obama, like Clinton before him, was a "conservative" Kep!
Which makes me wonder why the actual conservatives disliked them so much....
I believe Obama, like Clinton before him, was a "conservative" Kep!
Which makes me wonder why the actual conservatives disliked them so much....The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
Really?
Seriously?
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...border-during-instagram-live-video-at-dentist
Really?
Seriously?
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...border-during-instagram-live-video-at-dentist
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
He ended up being more small "c" conservative than GW was. That's what's so funny. The Republican party is everything BUT small "c" conservative. They'll blow money like an 18 year old set loose in a whorehouse as long as its for things they like to blow money on. Corporate Stock Buybacks? No problem. Defense? No problem. Wall on the Southern Border? No problem. The list goes on and on.
I believe Obama, like Clinton before him, was a "conservative" Kep!
He ended up being more small "c" conservative than GW was. That's what's so funny. The Republican party is everything BUT small "c" conservative. They'll blow money like an 18 year old set loose in a whorehouse as long as its for things they like to blow money on. Corporate Stock Buybacks? No problem. Defense? No problem. Wall on the Southern Border? No problem. The list goes on and on.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
I just missed the part about higher taxes on the rich, expansion of govt run healthcare, and increased regulation of the financial industry relating to small "c" conservatism, traditional conservatism, neo-conservatism, or batchit insane conservatism Scoobs. Can you tell me when any of those things were conservative?
I just missed the part about higher taxes on the rich, expansion of govt run healthcare, and increased regulation of the financial industry relating to small "c" conservatism, traditional conservatism, neo-conservatism, or batchit insane conservatism Scoobs. Can you tell me when any of those things were conservative?
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
Higher taxes on the rich pays the bills. Paying the bills is small c.
Government Run Health Care will save money in the long run and decrease costs. Small c.
Regulation of any industry done correctly. Not too much, not too little is small c.
Higher taxes on the rich pays the bills. Paying the bills is small c.
Government Run Health Care will save money in the long run and decrease costs. Small c.
Regulation of any industry done correctly. Not too much, not too little is small c.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo
You're outraged by the incredibly dumb things that outrage you too? Of all the thing to choose from, it was this?
You're outraged by the incredibly dumb things that outrage you too? Of all the thing to choose from, it was this?
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