robertearle
Well-known member
You guys got screwed. Absolutely.
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2020-21 Penn State Nittany Lions
- Thread starter ZedLeppelin
- Start date
You guys got screwed. Absolutely.
Offsides Guy
Active member
I apologize to Penn State fans. My saying you had nothing to worry about when it came to making the tournament might’ve been the kiss of death. Still think you should be in there!
ZedLeppelin
Motormouth
Especially seeing Providence in the bracket. Based on what? Robert Morris earned the spot by winning the CHA tournament, but Penn State was good enough to go 4-0 against them this season, and dominate the CHA, and win the regular season title. None of that counts over whatever Providence did this season against who - Maine? Holy Cross? Merrimack? New Hampshire? And people scoff at the CHA.
robertearle
Well-known member
There’s no head scratching. This is just plain wrong.
ZedLeppelin
Motormouth
The selection committee was stuck at 7 teams, and Paul Flanagan smiled and said, "Hey, here's a good one...what about Providence?" After the chuckling died down and his Paypal payments to the others went through, off they went to vote.
I feel like Flanagan would fight for the CHA, considering they have a legit case to send 2 teams. But who knows, which is why it would be helpful if someone would ask them for the reasoning.
zambonidriver
New member
No one is a bigger Penn State fan than myself. I have seen every game and I know how hard these kids work.
1. They controlled their own destiny. They played not to lose instead of to win for two periods. (When you do that puck luck goes against you)
2. They play in a conference that gets no respect. Let's face it being from Minn. I used to scoff at the CHA. They need to schedule the WCHA and Hockey East and beat them on a consistent basis. (This is coming).
3. The CHA needs to make a commitment to being a first class conference. Their website is not kept up date and they don't promote their teams the proper way.
4. For the teams to be taken seriously two schools need to either build new rinks or totally update their facilities. Then you can recruit top line players.
5. Lindenwood and RIT have to become competitive they have the facilities.
6. Penn States record actually worked against them they were 16-2-2 in the CHA and then lost to a middle of the pack team. Now BC lost to a team that was below 500 and Providence fell apart during the year but had a good HE tournament.
Now to address the future. PSU has everyone back except Aolphsson and have some high profile transfers coming in. Knowing the kids as well as I do, what happened this year I guarantee this won't happen again. With the Frozen four next year at Pegula don't be surprised to see the Lions playing at home.
Last thing to wrap up a great 20-21 year in which no one thought hockey would be played. I have refrained from comment on the goalie as she is a close relative.
To debunk Reddington's theory about Kampersal wearing down goalies. She wants to play every game she never wants to sit. Kampersal recruits goalies with that mindset.
He is also along with Fargo at Colgate a proponent of playing free. So the rigid system type of play That Syracuse and Robert Morris employ you won't see as much.
So as we move forward and his recruiting progress you are going to see a more high powered offense.
What a great year with some unbelievable accomplishments. They have really been fun to watch and will continue to grow over the next 4 years.
1. They controlled their own destiny. They played not to lose instead of to win for two periods. (When you do that puck luck goes against you)
2. They play in a conference that gets no respect. Let's face it being from Minn. I used to scoff at the CHA. They need to schedule the WCHA and Hockey East and beat them on a consistent basis. (This is coming).
3. The CHA needs to make a commitment to being a first class conference. Their website is not kept up date and they don't promote their teams the proper way.
4. For the teams to be taken seriously two schools need to either build new rinks or totally update their facilities. Then you can recruit top line players.
5. Lindenwood and RIT have to become competitive they have the facilities.
6. Penn States record actually worked against them they were 16-2-2 in the CHA and then lost to a middle of the pack team. Now BC lost to a team that was below 500 and Providence fell apart during the year but had a good HE tournament.
Now to address the future. PSU has everyone back except Aolphsson and have some high profile transfers coming in. Knowing the kids as well as I do, what happened this year I guarantee this won't happen again. With the Frozen four next year at Pegula don't be surprised to see the Lions playing at home.
Last thing to wrap up a great 20-21 year in which no one thought hockey would be played. I have refrained from comment on the goalie as she is a close relative.
To debunk Reddington's theory about Kampersal wearing down goalies. She wants to play every game she never wants to sit. Kampersal recruits goalies with that mindset.
He is also along with Fargo at Colgate a proponent of playing free. So the rigid system type of play That Syracuse and Robert Morris employ you won't see as much.
So as we move forward and his recruiting progress you are going to see a more high powered offense.
What a great year with some unbelievable accomplishments. They have really been fun to watch and will continue to grow over the next 4 years.
Offsides Guy
Active member
All good points but none of them explain UMD getting in instead of Penn St. UMD is the real crime to me.
FiveHoleFrenzy
Well-known member
Ohio State has about as bad a facility situation as you can get in the WCHA...That doesn't seem to deter them.
ZedLeppelin
Motormouth
Only going to hit a couple points here:
No kidding - just look at the women's hockey home page right here on USCHO. Not a single word about the CHA tournament, CHA award winners, etc, but it's filled with WCHA, Hockey East, and NEWHA tournament and award articles.
The CHA website is embarrassing. I hope nobody is getting a paycheck for "maintaining" that website. Not to mention, just a couple hours before the tournament started, they didn't even know the video feed for tournament games wasn't up.
I was wondering about returning upperclass players, because I know I saw here (or somewhere) that on Senior Night they only honored Jenna Brenneman and Jessica Adolfsson (I think). Adolfsson would be centralizing for Team Sweden for next season's Olympics anyway, and Brenneman has to be out of eligibility by now, but not honoring Natalie Heising means she's coming back. I wonder if Adolfsson gets to come back the following year after the Olympics, since she will be due a senior season.
If you know about the incoming freshmen for next season, do tell - we never hear any of the good stuff about them. I hope there's some solid defense coming.
Please add "with fans being allowed in the arena".
With what this team did with so many freshmen and sophomores, the next few years are going to be fun.
No kidding - just look at the women's hockey home page right here on USCHO. Not a single word about the CHA tournament, CHA award winners, etc, but it's filled with WCHA, Hockey East, and NEWHA tournament and award articles.
The CHA website is embarrassing. I hope nobody is getting a paycheck for "maintaining" that website. Not to mention, just a couple hours before the tournament started, they didn't even know the video feed for tournament games wasn't up.
I was wondering about returning upperclass players, because I know I saw here (or somewhere) that on Senior Night they only honored Jenna Brenneman and Jessica Adolfsson (I think). Adolfsson would be centralizing for Team Sweden for next season's Olympics anyway, and Brenneman has to be out of eligibility by now, but not honoring Natalie Heising means she's coming back. I wonder if Adolfsson gets to come back the following year after the Olympics, since she will be due a senior season.
If you know about the incoming freshmen for next season, do tell - we never hear any of the good stuff about them. I hope there's some solid defense coming.
Please add "with fans being allowed in the arena".
With what this team did with so many freshmen and sophomores, the next few years are going to be fun.
zambonidriver
New member
They are/were getting a new facility at least that was what Muzzy was recruiting on with regards to when we went through the process. Buckeye would be more aware of that than me. Also I don't think the facilities are as important to Canadian girls as they are to American. Just a guess because Mercyhust RMU and Syracuse get some pretty good Canadians and Muzzy seems to be leaning that way also. IMHO
Offsides Guy
Active member
I think the Canadian player focus is more to do with Muzz being Canadian herself. I think she takes some pride in that and it likely helps when recruiting Canadian players.
Reddington
Well-known member
Bothun had a great year, but she does not get played like a horse if Burke had not opted out. That's just my opinion. At any rate, Bothun picked up invaluable experience. We can agree to disagree on debunking. Of course she wants to play every game.
We can agree on the PP and the faceoffs, lol. Although 0-1 is statisically worse than 1-4, it's kind of similar in the game against Syracuse. The refs were one sided.
Adollfson is a 1998 and you think she is coming back at age 25? I highly doubt it.
No one has ever said Kampresal and Fargo have similar styles. I'll have to think on that one.
Syracuse forwards looked faster than PSU forwards, that's why I think the size of Nelson and Rankin would have really helped. With a year of lifting, any one of the frosh can have that type of jump in production like Gough.
Oh well, onto next year.
We can agree on the PP and the faceoffs, lol. Although 0-1 is statisically worse than 1-4, it's kind of similar in the game against Syracuse. The refs were one sided.
Adollfson is a 1998 and you think she is coming back at age 25? I highly doubt it.
No one has ever said Kampresal and Fargo have similar styles. I'll have to think on that one.
Syracuse forwards looked faster than PSU forwards, that's why I think the size of Nelson and Rankin would have really helped. With a year of lifting, any one of the frosh can have that type of jump in production like Gough.
Oh well, onto next year.
zambonidriver
New member
Burke had not opted out. think the size of Nelson and Rankin would have really helped
I guess I can comment on this now that the season is over. These players were given the the choice of opting out or being removed. It was a culture thing, I am probably giving up too much inf o but it was the right move.These kids are serious hockey players as they were one of the only programs not to be hit by covid.
I guess I can comment on this now that the season is over. These players were given the the choice of opting out or being removed. It was a culture thing, I am probably giving up too much inf o but it was the right move.These kids are serious hockey players as they were one of the only programs not to be hit by covid.
ZedLeppelin
Motormouth
Nelson, Rankin, and Burke all got benched each season they were here, and the chatter was that it was because they liked to party. When I saw the three of them not even on the roster at the start of this season, I thought, "Well, someone has had enough of that". What a shame, because they were three talented players.
zambonidriver
New member
So you can read between the lines if they were on the roster as an underclassman and not on the roster this year. It was a culture issue.
Reddington
Well-known member
Water under the bridge, a nice year, blatant behind the scenes baloney on keeping PSU out of the Final 8. Back of the napkin stuff, BC must be good because they beat Northeastern once and we can extrapolate Providence must be good because they beat BC twice. Voters, ignoring their own rankings from the week before. It's like figure skating in the Olympics with the French Judges.