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2019 Kazmaier
- Thread starter robertearle
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I've seen the criteria. She's a hockey Humanitarian Finalist and a better player. Loren Gabel had nice numbers in an inferior conference. Anything else you care to add to the equation genius?
thirdtime's . . .
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Re: 2019 Kazmaier
It’s hard to look at the Patty Kaz website and not be struck by the number of repeat nominees over the years and therefore the number of repeat 0-fers. Keller is in good company. But other than the freshman Watts, there could be no better proof, on the other end, that the Kaz isn’t a career trophy than Meghan Agosta. She is the only player to make the top-three four times, and she went 0-4. That had to sting. She just happened to have the misfortune to run up against the “career years” of Chu, Vaillancourt, Vetter and Duggan (whatever one thinks of those choices). But Agosta’s Kaz run was a pretty remarkable achievement.
(I wish the committee would give up what I understand to be a misleading “finalist” thing for the top-three, as if there were a subsequent run-off. They’re the first, second and third vote-getters on the final ballot, correct? There must be other ways to honor this than to misname it.)
It’s hard to look at the Patty Kaz website and not be struck by the number of repeat nominees over the years and therefore the number of repeat 0-fers. Keller is in good company. But other than the freshman Watts, there could be no better proof, on the other end, that the Kaz isn’t a career trophy than Meghan Agosta. She is the only player to make the top-three four times, and she went 0-4. That had to sting. She just happened to have the misfortune to run up against the “career years” of Chu, Vaillancourt, Vetter and Duggan (whatever one thinks of those choices). But Agosta’s Kaz run was a pretty remarkable achievement.
(I wish the committee would give up what I understand to be a misleading “finalist” thing for the top-three, as if there were a subsequent run-off. They’re the first, second and third vote-getters on the final ballot, correct? There must be other ways to honor this than to misname it.)
robertearle
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Re: 2019 Kazmaier
Wisconsin has won five times; and the best player (IMO) to ever play for UW - Hilary Knight - is not one of them. (Ignoring goalie vs non-goalie debates, etc.)
Congratulations to Loren Gabel
Hannah Brandt never won a Patty K. I'm not saying any of the players that won it shouldn't have won it. Just that I would never expect to receive more from a player than we got from Hannah Brandt!
Wisconsin has won five times; and the best player (IMO) to ever play for UW - Hilary Knight - is not one of them. (Ignoring goalie vs non-goalie debates, etc.)
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: 2019 Kazmaier
True. You can make a very impressive list of players who didn't win the Kaz: Poulin, Agosta, Ouellette, Corriero, Darwitz, the Lams, Potter, Knight, Räty, Martin, etc. You have to have a great season, but you also need timing, reputation, and in some cases, luck.
pokechecker
Banned
Re: 2019 Kazmaier
correct, it is a national scoring champion award
Ol' Man Kazmaier is rolling in his grave
correct, it is a national scoring champion award
Ol' Man Kazmaier is rolling in his grave
MAHOCKEY FAN
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Re: 2019 Kazmaier
congrats to Gabel. She really is a pleasure to watch. I bet the voting was very close for the top 3 and i would have been happy with any of them winning. I did want to see a defenseman win (Keller). If it is not a top scorer award, lets keep in mind the best d are out there for the PP, the penalty kill and sometime save goals when pucks get stuck in the crease behind the goalie. That has to be worth something that doesn't show on the score sheet. If it keeps going to the top scorer, then change the name or the criteria as it appears to be the only thing anyone is looking at.
congrats to Gabel. She really is a pleasure to watch. I bet the voting was very close for the top 3 and i would have been happy with any of them winning. I did want to see a defenseman win (Keller). If it is not a top scorer award, lets keep in mind the best d are out there for the PP, the penalty kill and sometime save goals when pucks get stuck in the crease behind the goalie. That has to be worth something that doesn't show on the score sheet. If it keeps going to the top scorer, then change the name or the criteria as it appears to be the only thing anyone is looking at.
Re: 2019 Kazmaier
Watching the final, and I can’t believe how impressive Pankowski is. Like others, I have no issue with who the PK winner is, these are all great players and I can’t imagine how hard it is to win this thing.
It’s interesting, 4 of the last 10 winners were WCHA, and 1 of the last 5 (the one was Desbiens, a goalie) was WCHA. To take nothing away from any winner ever, I will say that I suspect it helps to have someone promoting you throughout the year, and getting your highlights out there. BC and Northeastern are phenomenal at doing this with individual highlights plus they both had free streams for a while there. Those 2 programs have 3 out of the last 5 PK winners. If Clarkson was more into the highlights and self promotion I think Gabel May have won last year. And it’s fine, they have a Natty Championship instead and she won this year...I’m sure they don’t care.
I’m not convinced the entire selection committee follows as in depth as some of the fans. Do I think every member of the voting committee knows that WCHA is lower scoring, has fewer power play opportunities, and has some tremendous goalies even on their lower ranked teams, and that their 2 best teams roll three to four lines further decreasing an individual’s chance at padding stats? No not at all.
I personally don’t think the WCHA makes their stuff as accessible as some of the other programs, we can look at their records and know they are phenomenal, but those programs, including Wisconsin could do better job of getting highlights out there. My 2 cents.
Watching the final, and I can’t believe how impressive Pankowski is. Like others, I have no issue with who the PK winner is, these are all great players and I can’t imagine how hard it is to win this thing.
It’s interesting, 4 of the last 10 winners were WCHA, and 1 of the last 5 (the one was Desbiens, a goalie) was WCHA. To take nothing away from any winner ever, I will say that I suspect it helps to have someone promoting you throughout the year, and getting your highlights out there. BC and Northeastern are phenomenal at doing this with individual highlights plus they both had free streams for a while there. Those 2 programs have 3 out of the last 5 PK winners. If Clarkson was more into the highlights and self promotion I think Gabel May have won last year. And it’s fine, they have a Natty Championship instead and she won this year...I’m sure they don’t care.
I’m not convinced the entire selection committee follows as in depth as some of the fans. Do I think every member of the voting committee knows that WCHA is lower scoring, has fewer power play opportunities, and has some tremendous goalies even on their lower ranked teams, and that their 2 best teams roll three to four lines further decreasing an individual’s chance at padding stats? No not at all.
I personally don’t think the WCHA makes their stuff as accessible as some of the other programs, we can look at their records and know they are phenomenal, but those programs, including Wisconsin could do better job of getting highlights out there. My 2 cents.
FiveHoleFrenzy
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Leather helmet
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I had never heard that term before, but I love it! I am going to let the 25 minute wait at the barber shop fuel my haircut hate fire, and the fact that there are no anchovies in the house will fuel my Caesar Salad hate fire. I am en fuego!
Also, congratulations to the Badgers.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: 2019 Kazmaier
Safe to say. It's the rare great player who cares much about individual awards. They all want the big trophy.
Russell Jaslow
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That doesn’t change the accuracy of my statement. And that is all I was responded to. Otherwise, as far as I care, you are talking to yourself, because I don’t give a cr*p,
pokechecker
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Re: 2019 Kazmaier
the award misses the most important part of the season
the award misses the most important part of the season
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Re: 2019 Kazmaier
1) So 2 years ago should the award have gone to Cayley Mercer or Shea Tiley for their Regular Season and play in the post season over ARD?
2) How about last year? Did Elizabeth Giguere (who did not even make the top 3) and her regular season plus what she did in the post season (GWG against Mercyhurst, perfect saucer pass to Gabel for the winning goal against tOSU and then the GWG against Colgate) make her more deserving than Watts? Or Shea Tiley who again did not make the top 3?
3) Did Campbell's play in her Regular Season + Post season make her a more deserving winner than Pankowski or Gabel? She did not even make the Kaz top 10?
I'm would guess the Wisconsin fans would probably answer
1) Hell No
2) I don't care
3) Hell yes to either one over Gabel.
Well it is what it is as they say and I have never before and never will in the future pizz and moan about the winner of this award and how my player on my team got screwed.
In the eyes of the committee that player was the most deserving of the award. Congrats to ARD, Watts and Gabel and all the winners in the past and future.
As FiveHoleFrenzy stated " I'm sure she (Pankowski) would rather have the National Championship..." and I'm sure that statement would apply to ARD, Watts and Gabel this year.
1) So 2 years ago should the award have gone to Cayley Mercer or Shea Tiley for their Regular Season and play in the post season over ARD?
2) How about last year? Did Elizabeth Giguere (who did not even make the top 3) and her regular season plus what she did in the post season (GWG against Mercyhurst, perfect saucer pass to Gabel for the winning goal against tOSU and then the GWG against Colgate) make her more deserving than Watts? Or Shea Tiley who again did not make the top 3?
3) Did Campbell's play in her Regular Season + Post season make her a more deserving winner than Pankowski or Gabel? She did not even make the Kaz top 10?
I'm would guess the Wisconsin fans would probably answer
1) Hell No
2) I don't care
3) Hell yes to either one over Gabel.
Well it is what it is as they say and I have never before and never will in the future pizz and moan about the winner of this award and how my player on my team got screwed.
In the eyes of the committee that player was the most deserving of the award. Congrats to ARD, Watts and Gabel and all the winners in the past and future.
As FiveHoleFrenzy stated " I'm sure she (Pankowski) would rather have the National Championship..." and I'm sure that statement would apply to ARD, Watts and Gabel this year.
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pokechecker
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Re: 2019 Kazmaier
I'd be curious to know how many of the people on the committee actually saw all the final 10 play in person, some probably didn't even see the final three.
We know we live in fly-over land, you are preaching to the choir.
But Geezus, if you need someone to hand you a highlight reel to weigh each candidate you have no business being on the committee.
I'd be curious to know how many of the people on the committee actually saw all the final 10 play in person, some probably didn't even see the final three.
We know we live in fly-over land, you are preaching to the choir.
But Geezus, if you need someone to hand you a highlight reel to weigh each candidate you have no business being on the committee.
pokechecker
Banned
Re: 2019 Kazmaier
OK, I get it now, these are the participation trophies handed out to the ones who didn't win.
OK, I get it now, these are the participation trophies handed out to the ones who didn't win.