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2018 USA Olympic Women's Hockey Team

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Canada playing their best game of the tournament, USA not so much. 3-1 Canada after two.
 
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Putin must be angry at the US. Maybe we are getting fake streaming. I wonder if Canadian citizens will be seen as undesirables after this game. NAFTA could really be in trouble now.

What next, Mexico moves ahead of the US in international rankings at the U 18 level.

Maybe there are some really strong Haitian players which the US could look at.

Oh well, back to eating Oreos and milk.
 
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On the strength of some dubious calls by the referees, USA comes back to tie it at 3-3. Now going to OT.
 
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Oh goodie, a shootout (despite the W)
Well, it is fake in that an international tournament makes no sense, maybe someone can explain why a “tournament” at the international level is structured the way it is. I guess the Euro’s think it is fairer than an elimination tournament.
It makes no sense, in North America it is simple and straight forward, an elimination, the team that prevails is the champ. IOW, if you lose, you lose. There is no second chance.
At the international level both here and in the Olympics, if you lose you get a second chance. But not like in a double elimination tournament, which is the way it works in North America. In international play your second chance absolves everything that happens before, it doesn’t matter how well or how bad you played before, those results are thrown out, it all boils down to the final two games, the previous games are meaningless.
In double elimination if the undefeated team is to be vanquished they need to be defeated twice, not just once. In international play you can be the champ despite having a worse record than teams you supposedly prevailed over. This is fair?
 
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After a scoreless overtime period USA wins 4-3 in a shootout and will advance to the Gold Medal game.
 
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D2D said:
After a scoreless overtime period USA wins 4-3 in a shootout and will advance to the Gold Medal game.
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Typical Canadian women's coaching style. Shorten the bench all tournament and burn out the top players. When the time comes to defend a lead they are gassed. See the same at the NCAA level on teams with Canadian coaches (especially women coaches who were or are part of TC). Canada and the USA have a big advantage over the other nations and that is depth. When its not used this is the typical result, blow a 2 goal lead late in the third.

Not to be forgotten, the US beat Canada very handily in the round robin so I am ok with the shootout win for the US as they already had the other win. If the US had lost the shootout, it was possible they could play the entire tournament without a regulation/overtime loss and never had a chance to play for gold. That would have been nuts.

The good news for the US is Canada has not won any women's tournament (U18, World Championship) that the US has entered since the last Olympics. I wonder if this is a changing of the guard? The best young players appear to be American.
 
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Typical Canadian women's coaching style. Shorten the bench all tournament and burn out the top players. When the time comes to defend a lead they are gassed. See the same at the NCAA level on teams with Canadian coaches (especially women coaches who were or are part of TC). Canada and the USA have a big advantage over the other nations and that is depth. When its not used this is the typical result, blow a 2 goal lead late in the third.

Not to be forgotten, the US beat Canada very handily in the round robin so I am ok with the shootout win for the US as they already had the other win. If the US had lost the shootout, it was possible they could play the entire tournament without a regulation/overtime loss and never had a chance to play for gold. That would have been nuts.

The good news for the US is Canada has not won any women's tournament (U18, World Championship) that the US has entered since the last Olympics. I wonder if this is a changing of the guard? The best young players appear to be American.
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Agree with you and Pokechecker that this is a messed up tournament format that played perfectly to the scenario were the US was in danger of not playing for the Gold despite being the best team (not so much today however) in the tournament. Canada did play well today and you have to wonder why this wasn't seen from them in earlier games. Really bad officiating seems like just what is the norm for women's hockey. Kind of did Canada in ultimately although I can't say I'm feeling too sorry for them. :D
 
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So if the US and Canada happened to draw each other on the first day of the tournament, that's it, one of them plays for relegation. That's a better tournament format?
 
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MaizeRage said:
So if the US and Canada happened to draw each other on the first day of the tournament, that's it, one of them plays for relegation. That's a better tournament format?
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you have heard of seeding, correct?

even without seeding, it is still a better format than the Euro version of a tournament, so what if the best two teams meet in the first round (or before the final), the one that prevails deserves to move on to the next opponent, why should the loser get a second crack at them and the previous game result be thrown out?

If you want to give teams a second chance, make it double elimination.
 
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FiveHoleFrenzy said:
Really bad officiating seems like just what is the norm for women's hockey. Kind of did Canada in ultimately although I can't say I'm feeling to sorry for them. :D
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I'm not one who normally complains about the officiating, but in all honesty this was one of the worst officiated games that I've seen. It seemed like every time an American skater fell to the ice, oftentimes during a normal battle for the puck, or when there was true incidental contact, the referee would call a penalty on the Canadian player. Starting at roughly the middle of the 2nd period, through overtime, Canada got whistled for seven consecutive penalties vs. none for the USA. Although I can't say I felt sorry for the Canadians either, it just didn't seem right.
 
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The ref should be in jail after that game #lockherup

The bogus and dumb "delay of game" penalty called on the canadian player whose shot was deflected by an american stick and into the crowd in the last minute of regulation was just criminal. same with the 4 v 3 penalty in OT. #lockherup

In other events, team canada women coaching staff still can't coach. what else is new. this is what happens when "former national team members" are given priority (who suck at coaching) over those who are 1000000x more qualified and better at coaching. I'm so done with hiring "former national team players" like Gina Kingsbury as director of hockey operations and the head coaches of the u-18 and national development teams who are "former national team players" who have no clue how to coach. the blown 2-goal lead by canada in the third period was so expected and possibly the easiest blown 2-goal lead ever that i have seen in women's hockey, save sochi maybe.

matt desrosiers, who is 1000000x more qualified to coach the national development team, was relegated to that of lowly assistant coach answering to some head coach that was not even a fraction qualified to be coaching at that level, some CWHL player who at some point played on team canada. The team finished a horrible 5th.

"Former national team players" should not be given positions just because they are "former national team players". It is so sad that coaching talent will remain hidden in many pockets of the country because of culture of entitlement.

After Shea Tiley and Marlene Boissonault, Canada's goaltenders at this level are no longer reliable. they cannot stand on their heads to steal a win anymore.

what qualifies Gina Kingsbury to be in her role with hockey canada?
 
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Not to be forgotten, the US beat Canada very handily in the round robin so I am ok with the shootout win for the US as they already had the other win. If the US had lost the shootout, it was possible they could play the entire tournament without a regulation/overtime loss and never had a chance to play for gold. That would have been nuts.
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exactly, more than that Canada also lost to Russia, after losing two games they did not deserve to be in the gold medal game
this too is what IMO is such a farce about the Olympics
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Ugh. If this were a prize fight the ref would stop it as "unable to respond".

To ARM, again I am sorry for posting here but at least it was a break from whining about Stauber for a couple of days.
 
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Chaffron said:
The ref should be in jail after that game #lockherup

The bogus and dumb "delay of game" penalty called on the canadian player whose shot was deflected by an american stick and into the crowd in the last minute of regulation was just criminal. same with the 4 v 3 penalty in OT. #lockherup

In other events, team canada women coaching staff still can't coach. what else is new. this is what happens when "former national team members" are given priority (who suck at coaching) over those who are 1000000x more qualified and better at coaching. I'm so done with hiring "former national team players" like Gina Kingsbury as director of hockey operations and the head coaches of the u-18 and national development teams who are "former national team players" who have no clue how to coach. the blown 2-goal lead by canada in the third period was so expected and possibly the easiest blown 2-goal lead ever that i have seen in women's hockey, save sochi maybe.

matt desrosiers, who is 1000000x more qualified to coach the national development team, was relegated to that of lowly assistant coach answering to some head coach that was not even a fraction qualified to be coaching at that level, some CWHL player who at some point played on team canada. The team finished a horrible 5th.

"Former national team players" should not be given positions just because they are "former national team players". It is so sad that coaching talent will remain hidden in many pockets of the country because of culture of entitlement.

After Shea Tiley and Marlene Boissonault, Canada's goaltenders at this level are no longer reliable. they cannot stand on their heads to steal a win anymore.

what qualifies Gina Kingsbury to be in her role with hockey canada?
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Having inexperienced women coach womens hockey is the new thing. Comes down from the top. Isn't your Prime Minister a feminist too?

Great players dont always make great coaches. Grinders make better coaches. Ask Wayne Gretzky.

Last years U22 team had Muzerall from Ohio as the offensive coach. She was offensive all right as they never scored a goal losing to Finland. I believe a number of team Canada players complained up top about her. Nothing like a coach that always blames the players, not the terrible systems they put in place or playing the same players for over half the game.

Agree, 2x NCAA national womens champion Matt Desrosiers absolutely deserves the chance to head coach. What else can he do to prove he should be running the ship? 4 years and counting without a gold is too much.
 
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