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2018-19 WCHA Season: 3 Bids And The Second Round?

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giwan said:
Golden Kinghts great story. I don't see that any NHL success translates to college hockey. Otherwise you'd have college hockey in Chitown and Detroit and Dallas etc
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You consider Dallas an NHL success story? As for Detroit, I think they host kind of a big college tournament every year, and it's not like Ann Arbor is in another time zone.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
2)It would be a D2 conference, and wouldn't have a seat at the D1 table with all of the other NCAA D1 hockey conferences.
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Would a new conference affiliation impact that, though? It seems like if a school played D-I hockey in 2010-11 then it should be in the clear as long as it continues to play it. Right?

20.4.1 Multidivision Classification. A member of Division II or Division III may have a sport classified
in Division I, provided the sport was so classified during the 2010-11 academic year. Such a classification shall
continue until the institution fails to conduct the sport in Division I in any following academic year. (Revised:
8/9/07, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D118.pdf
 
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Honestly...best case scenario is UNLV, USC and Oregon decide to to add hockey. They join with ASU to make 4 big-time western teams. Denver now looks west because they have an over-inflated impression of themselves, and decides they're more like these big time west coast schools, than the po-dunk hick schools in North Dakota, Nebraska, Minnesota and Ohio. They bail for the west, and CC goes with, because no one in that program has had an original thought in 20 years. These 6 decided that they need a whipping boy, so they approach UAA to be #7. Leaving, UND, UMD, SCSU and UNO searching for 4-6 replacement teams. MSU, BSU, MTU, UAF and NMU are added to a WCHA 3.0, while UW-EC goes D1 and fits nicely into WCHA 3.0 as well, to get to 10. LSSU, UAH, FSU, BGSU, MU, and WMU are left to reform the CCHA 2.0, and extend an invite to Bob Morris and Niagara to get to 8. Big 10 gets Northwestern and Illinois to jump in, then dump Notre Dame, because no one likes the ****ing Irish.

Well, it isn't happening, but as far as high aspiration dreams go, it would work.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Honestly...best case scenario is UNLV, USC and Oregon decide to to add hockey. They join with ASU to make 4 big-time western teams. Denver now looks west because they have an over-inflated impression of themselves, and decides they're more like these big time west coast schools, than the po-dunk hick schools in North Dakota, Nebraska, Minnesota and Ohio. They bail for the west, and CC goes with, because no one in that program has had an original thought in 20 years. These 6 decided that they need a whipping boy, so they approach UAA to be #7. Leaving, UND, UMD, SCSU and UNO searching for 4-6 replacement teams. MSU, BSU, MTU, UAF and NMU are added to a WCHA 3.0, while UW-EC goes D1 and fits nicely into WCHA 3.0 as well, to get to 10. LSSU, UAH, FSU, BGSU, MU, and WMU are left to reform the CCHA 2.0, and extend an invite to Bob Morris and Niagara to get to 8. Big 10 gets Northwestern and Illinois to jump in, then dump Notre Dame, because no one likes the ****ing Irish.

Well, it isn't happening, but as far as high aspiration dreams go, it would work.
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In my perfect world in this new college hockey world, I'd like to see an alliance among the NSIC, GLIAC, and MAC schools. Minnesota, Michigan, and Ohio hockey. It just feels right for some reason.
 
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lakersparty said:
Would a new conference affiliation impact that, though? It seems like if a school played D-I hockey in 2010-11 then it should be in the clear as long as it continues to play it. Right?

20.4.1 Multidivision Classification. A member of Division II or Division III may have a sport classified
in Division I, provided the sport was so classified during the 2010-11 academic year. Such a classification shall
continue until the institution fails to conduct the sport in Division I in any following academic year. (Revised:
8/9/07, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D118.pdf
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But none of that has any impact on the conference getting a seat at the D1 table. They can all be D1 hockey schools, and still would be, but the conference would be a D2 conference, and wouldn't be allowed in D1 discussions.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
because its a D2 conference in everything else...the play-up style doesn't get you a seat at the D1 table.
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First of all I wasn't thinking it would be NSIC or GLIAC, but rather a hockey-only conference. Made up with the two.

But what I'm understanding from your comment is that a D2 school cannot play D1 hockey unless they are in a conference that has a school that is D1 in every sport?

I guess that would answer the question of smaller schools adding a hockey program unless they could join a D1 conference on Day 1. I doubt the NCAA is looking to bring D2 hockey back.

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MTUHuskies said:
First of all I wasn't thinking it would be NSIC or GLIAC, but rather a hockey-only conference. Made up with the two.

But what I'm understanding from your comment is that a D2 school cannot play D1 hockey unless they are in a conference that has a school that is D1 in every sport?

I guess that would answer the question of smaller schools adding a hockey program unless they could join a D1 conference on Day 1. I doubt the NCAA is looking to bring D2 hockey back.

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No, you're not understanding. All schools would still play D1 hockey, that is not the issue. They would just be playing D1 hockey in a D2 conference. This is because all of the schools listed are D2 schools, that play up to D1 for hockey. They're all still D2 schools as far as the NCAA is concerned. A conference consisting of only D2 schools cannot be a D1 conference, you need at least 1 D1 school. In the current WCHA, that 1 school is BGSU.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
No, you're not understanding. All schools would still play D1 hockey, that is not the issue. They would just be playing D1 hockey in a D2 conference. This is because all of the schools listed are D2 schools, that play up to D1 for hockey. They're all still D2 schools as far as the NCAA is concerned. A conference consisting of only D2 schools cannot be a D1 conference, you need at least 1 D1 school. In the current WCHA, that 1 school is BGSU.
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That doesn't make sense to me. But because we're talking about an NCAA rule, it must be right.

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MTUHuskies said:
That doesn't make sense to me. But because we're talking about an NCAA rule, it must be right.

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its not about NCAA rules or conference designations...its about having a seat at the D1 table for deciding NCAA legislation that effects D1 hockey...
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
its not about NCAA rules or conference designations...its about having a seat at the D1 table for deciding NCAA legislation that effects D1 hockey...
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I give up! I've got better things to worry about.

Like trying to figure out how Tech can 3-peat and crawl back to the tournament.

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MTUHuskies said:
I give up! I've got better things to worry about.

Like trying to figure out how Tech can 3-peat and crawl back to the tournament.

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you remember the legislation about changing overtime rules this last season? you remember the rule to try and take away D3 playups and not grandfather CC, Colgate, etc? those are all part of a D1 rules committee...The WCHA's only voice for those rules is because BGSU is part of the MAC so indirectly, they at least have a seat at the table through BGSU's connections to whoever is appointed by the MAC. If there is a league of only GLIAC/NSIC teams, they have no direct/indirect seat at the table for those decisions. They're all still allowed to playup and participate in D1 hockey and potentially have an autobid but they don't ultimately have much of a say in NCAA legislation that might effect D1 hockey.
 
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When it comes to hockey legislation, the NSIC/GLIAC would have a say somewhat in the process as it deals with hockey only. Those discussions typically take place at the Coaches' Convention in April and the recommendations are forwarded onto the D-I NCAA Council.

But in the grand scheme of D-I NCAA athletics, where legislation is voted on that would impact all D-I sports, the NSIC/GLIAC would not have a say or vote in the decision due to the fact that there is not an all sports D-I classified school. That is where Bowling Green, as a member of the MAC, currently gives the WCHA a voice, although minuscule one, due to the Power 5 having more voting power.
 
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Goodness, the WCHA hasn't ended two teams' seasons yet and we're already in realignment-talk-silly-season.

GFM
 
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MTUHuskies said:
Yep. One USCHO article and the sky is falling.
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And it was an article where they were dithering about whether or not to speculate. Either speculate or don't bring it up. Oh well, sometimes you have column inches to fill (been there, done that for USCHO).

GFM
 
gfmorris said:
And it was an article where they were dithering about whether or not to speculate. Either speculate or don't bring it up. Oh well, sometimes you have column inches to fill (been there, done that for USCHO).

GFM
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The conversation has been very real leading up to and since the announcement. But if you ask about it on record, you will get very short, deflected answers. But in doing their due diligence, the WCHA must have contingencies in place. One must remember that, at this point, schedules are all but done. Some teams have even made some of their games known.
 
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To me the biggest issue facing the WCHA long term is MSU leaving. I'd go so far as to say that the league would benefit by subsidizing MSU travel as a means of keeping them in the league.
 
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manurespreader said:
To me the biggest issue facing the WCHA long term is MSU leaving. I'd go so far as to say that the league would benefit by subsidizing MSU travel as a means of keeping them in the league.
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Torn on this one. I don't think travel costs for the team would go down all that much in the NCHC, as we'd still have to make trips to Michigan and Ohio (although not as many trips to Michigan as we made this year) and would just substitute Colorado trips for Alaska trips (Slightly cheaper, but not a huge deal). Where the school may see a financial difference would be the visiting crowd for SCSU, NoDak, UMD, and to a much lesser extent UNO. As it is, Tech is really the only conference visitor who brings in more than 30 or 40 fans to a game. Meanwhile, the last game we had with SCSU was our 2nd largest crowd ever for a home game. And I know this doesn't figure in the school's bottom line, but I think a lot more Kato fans would follow the team on the road, with half the conference as close or closer than our current closest conference rival.

And I think the sentiment for playing our traditional rivals from all other sports is a thing that can't be measured financially, but plays a big part in this.
 
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davyd83 said:
The conversation has been very real leading up to and since the announcement. But if you ask about it on record, you will get very short, deflected answers. But in doing their due diligence, the WCHA must have contingencies in place. One must remember that, at this point, schedules are all but done. Some teams have even made some of their games known.
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To what conversation and announcement are you referring?

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