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2017 Atlantic Hurricane Season: Non-Minnesotans arguing about the weather...

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joecct said:
Any city along water is a candidate for a flooding. New York City drowned in Sandy - and the infrastructure is still not 100%. New Orleans is a ticking time bomb. Miami, Tampa Bay, Charleston (which floods every time there is a heavy rain), the East Coast resorts.

Cincinnati drowned in 1937 and Elmira and Harrisburg drowned after Agnes in 1972.

The left coast has to deal with the Ring of Fire and earthquakes, volcanoes, and tsunamis. San Francisco was rebuilt after 1906.

Heck, London used to flood if there was a storm surge up the Thames.

People still live there - nobody's permanently closed a major city because of a disaster since Port Royal sunk way back when.
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So therefore it's ok not to spend money on disaster preparedness? Typical Republican, penny wise and pound foolish.
 
unofan said:
So therefore it's ok not to spend money on disaster preparedness? Typical Republican, penny wise and pound foolish.
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No. Please don't put words in my mouth. It's a cost/benefit analysis. You plan for what is likely + some factor. If there is a catastrophe, you break the glass on the OH THIT file and try to mitigate the damage. After it's all over, you clean up and rebuild.

In London's case, they got tired of the floods and built flood gates in the Thames. Galveston built a seawall. What the SE Texas coast does in the wake of Harvey will be up to the voters and the politicians.

However, when disaster strikes, some folks fold like an accordion, while others rise to the occasion. You just hope there's more of the latter.
 
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It's a once in a 1,000 years event. You don't plan for that. ****ing Lief Erickson was just hitting North America 1,000 years ago.

Are we all going to ***** when the entire San Andreas fault ruptures and liquifies 750 miles of ground when the 9.5+ hits? Or when NYC gets hit with some mega catastrophe?

We have a city of 6 million that needs to be rebuilt in a far more intelligent way. Almost all of us agree on that. But this heartless reaction I'm seeing is pretty sad.

The cost of preparing for all 1,000-year eventualities would spend us into the ground. I'm not even sure we consider those scenarios in doing analyses for chemical events unless it has truly catastrophic consequences. I'm going to have to ask our experts on that tomorrow because I'm pretty sure we don't.
 
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I say this with no implied criticism or point, but 1200 people have drowned in India, Bangladesh and Nepal this past week.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
It's a once in a 1,000 years event. You don't plan for that. ****ing Lief Erickson was just hitting North America 1,000 years ago.
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You want me to go through and repost all the times Houston did nothing when the could have done something? No one is saying there would not have been damage or flooding. However, I am saying they ignored and exacerbated the problem
 
joecct said:
No. Please don't put words in my mouth. It's a cost/benefit analysis. You plan for what is likely + some factor. If there is a catastrophe, you break the glass on the OH THIT file and try to mitigate the damage. After it's all over, you clean up and rebuild.

In London's case, they got tired of the floods and built flood gates in the Thames. Galveston built a seawall. What the SE Texas coast does in the wake of Harvey will be up to the voters and the politicians.

However, when disaster strikes, some folks fold like an accordion, while others rise to the occasion. You just hope there's more of the latter.
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And the point is Houston hasn't done nearly enough. They haven't even planned for "what is likely" let alone "what is likely + some factor."

I read somewhere, probably one of the links Scooby posted, that Houston is the most flood prone city in the country, even worse off than New Orleans, because at least New Orleans has pumps and levies. Houston had done next to nothing to mitigate any flood risk, and then exacerbated it by filling in wetlands and other natural flood barriers.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Major Hurricane Irma now ... I'd be surprised if storm didn't become Cat 5 during next 5-7 days. Many EPS ensembles are very intense. <a href="https://t.co/EyjSojsG6r">pic.twitter.com/EyjSojsG6r</a></p>— Ryan Maue (@RyanMaue) <a href="https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/903357153582481410">August 31, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Here's the latest from the NHC.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
It's a once in a 1,000 years event.
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This is likely wrong. It's an event that looking at history without any consideration for events in the recent past (last ~5-10 years) or changes expected in the future was deemed to have a 1/1,000 chance of occurring in a given year. Given recent history (3 500 year floods in the last 3 years) as well as future expectations for change, it's probably more like 50-100 year event. Odds of 3 500 year events in 3 years are 1:125M, is Houston that unlucky, or is the classification of a 500 yr event wrong?
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Texas pols really are their own breed of special (read: stupid), aren't they?
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If you can find a collection read Molly Ivins' early reporting on the TX state leg. Those guys are spectacular.

The stories she took to her grave must have been amazing.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Here's the latest from the NHC.
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The Canadian's (CMC) model has this tracking directly over my house in SWFL 10 days out. Plus that puts it in the Gulf which could mean more devastation on top of the devastation. Fortunately these models are terribly inaccurate that far out as you can see by the spread. Just hope it tracks a bit North, because hugging the Antilles means warm water and more energy and much greater likelihood of major impact. No offense to my NE coastie friends, and it might seem selfish, but I'd rather they took a hit from a Cat 1 or Tropical Storm than me and the Gulf States both getting hit from a Cat 4 or 5.

Next week everybody get an electric fan and point it East.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Major Hurricane Irma now ... I'd be surprised if storm didn't become Cat 5 during next 5-7 days. Many EPS ensembles are very intense. <a href="https://t.co/EyjSojsG6r">pic.twitter.com/EyjSojsG6r</a></p>— Ryan Maue (@RyanMaue) <a href="https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/903357153582481410">August 31, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Here's the latest from the NHC.
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Does anyone know a good place to view all of the model data?

I've been using College of DuPage's since Weather Underground took a massive **** a few years ago.

http://weather.cod.edu/

But the model data still seems very limited compared to what Wunderground used to offer.
 
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Mike's Weather Page looks like a holdover web page from the 90's, but it has pretty good information and links.

Irma's track has moved slightly North in the last update, which is great. Sometimes these storm tracks just keep moving North every day and end up missing everything.
 
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Iirc The latest I saw from GFS had it moving closer to the Carolinas from the Northeast and the European model moved it from the Yucatán to closer to Florida.
 
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