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2016-2017 Division I Commitments

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Does the NCAA no longer restrict recruiters from approaching prospects prior to July 1st of the prospect's senior/graduating year as they did six or seven years ago?
There are still restrictions, although there have been a couple of things that were relaxed. Where it is less restrictive is when the player contacts the school, so that's where the early commitments evolve.
 
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There are still restrictions, although there have been a couple of things that were relaxed. Where it is less restrictive is when the player contacts the school, so that's where the early commitments evolve.

I thought that that might be the explanation but even so, it seems to me to not be such a great idea to have allowed said relaxing. So many things can happen in the ensuing one or two or even three years that these type of commitments should be taken with a whole handful of salt. Pros and cons to everything but it could be argued that such an early commitment from the player might cause them some anguish in the future due to expectations that they have placed upon themselves as well as their perception of the expectations that the particular program in question has of them.
 
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I thought that that might be the explanation but even so, it seems to me to not be such a great idea to have allowed said relaxing.
The changes that I am aware of deal with things like a slight change to when contact is allowed in the summer and handling new technologies like texting, nothing major. As far as I know, the student athlete has always been able to initiate contact, just as any other perspective student would when wanting to learn more about a school.

I really don't see these early commitments as harming the students to any large degree. Those most at risk are the late bloomers or those that take longer to decide what they want to do. With that in mind, it might hurt international students to an extent, because there could be fewer programs that have an opening should they wait longer to start checking on options, and I agree that a player from Europe, for example, won't decide to start checking out a school in the U.S. as early as someone living in that state will.

It is a little like being able to buy tickets for a popular movie in advance. A customer may show up at the ticket window on Friday night and find that the tickets for the show she wants are all sold, but maybe those who made the decision days before are entitled to have priority.
 
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I really don't see these early commitments as harming the students to any large degree. Those most at risk are the late bloomers or those that take longer to decide what they want to do. With that in mind, it might hurt international students to an extent, because there could be fewer programs that have an opening should they wait longer to start checking on options, and I agree that a player from Europe, for example, won't decide to start checking out a school in the U.S. as early as someone living in that state will.

I noticed that the latest 2014-2015 commitments only include 17 Canadians. It seems to me that nearly 80 Canadians will end up playing as freshmen next year, so they don't appear to be hurt by "late" commitments. A coach probably will take a prime player regardless of need (witness Frost with a couple of Finns who showed up on his doorstep a few years ago).
 
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A coach probably will take a prime player regardless of need (witness Frost with a couple of Finns who showed up on his doorstep a few years ago).
The coach may certainly be willing to take that prime player; the question becomes whether there are any scholarship dollars left if the player shows interest at the 11th hour. There have been some high-profile players that wanted to come to the "U", but the scholarships had already been awarded elsewhere.
 
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I noticed that the latest 2014-2015 commitments only include 17 Canadians. It seems to me that nearly 80 Canadians will end up playing as freshmen next year, so they don't appear to be hurt by "late" commitments. A coach probably will take a prime player regardless of need (witness Frost with a couple of Finns who showed up on his doorstep a few years ago).

I don't think there are late commitments with Canadians so much as there are late announcements.
 
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Katie Robinson...........................D........................(Dodge County Wildcats).................MN

Go Gophers
 
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Katie Robinson...........................D........................(Dodge County Wildcats).................MN

Go Gophers

Hometown is Kasson, Minnesota
 
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The coach may certainly be willing to take that prime player; the question becomes whether there are any scholarship dollars left if the player shows interest at the 11th hour. There have been some high-profile players that wanted to come to the "U", but the scholarships had already been awarded elsewhere.

Of course there are scholarship dollars still available at the 11th hour....if you consider that a "late" commitment is one that is not made until the Fall of senior year. As long as the high-profile player makes that commitment prior to the NLI signing period in early November, or in the case of Ivys applies by the Early Decision date, a significant number of coaches will suddenly have "unexpected admissions issues" with prior commitments.
 
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I don't think there are late commitments with Canadians so much as there are late announcements.

I think you are both right.

Canadians generally do not reveal any commitments made until the paperwork is signed sealed and delivered just prior to Christmas of senior year...and many don't broadcast these at all, often so as not to be a potential distraction within their club team or not wishing to draw attention to themselves.

Further, it is also rare to make verbal commitments prior to the summer or fall after Junior year. There are several reasons for this. One big reason is that Canadians tend not to prep for and write SATs nearly as early as Americans do. They don't need them at all for Canadian schools. Many are still writing in the fall of Gr 12.

And as I have said before, there is generally no real upside for a player to commit early even if they do have their test scores. Since there is nothing in writing, there are too many examples of coaches reneging, and the hockey community in the key markets in Canada is pretty small in a way and highly interconnected. Word travels quickly of the horror stories, and so most coaches tend to actively discourage early commitments, especially to those schools/coaches with known track records for integrity lapses.
 
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I think you are both right.

Canadians generally do not reveal any commitments made until the paperwork is signed sealed and delivered just prior to Christmas of senior year...and many don't broadcast these at all, often so as not to be a potential distraction within their club team or not wishing to draw attention to themselves.

Further, it is also rare to make verbal commitments prior to the summer or fall after Junior year. There are several reasons for this. One big reason is that Canadians tend not to prep for and write SATs nearly as early as Americans do. They don't need them at all for Canadian schools. Many are still writing in the fall of Gr 12.

And as I have said before, there is generally no real upside for a player to commit early even if they do have their test scores. Since there is nothing in writing, there are too many examples of coaches reneging, and the hockey community in the key markets in Canada is pretty small in a way and highly interconnected. Word travels quickly of the horror stories, and so most coaches tend to actively discourage early commitments, especially to those schools/coaches with known track records for integrity lapses.

This is all correct, but the trend, whether we like it or not, is going MUCH younger, evidenced by the number of 16-17 verbal commits. If Canadians don't begin to start the process earlier, I feel it will be too late for some very talented girls to choose where they'd like to go -- some options will be eliminated. Take the U as an example, they already have two D and at least 1 F for 2016-17 freshman class. IF the very top grade 10 D in Canada really wants to goto the U, they are too late!

Edited to add: I'm not suggesting if girls don't commit in grade 10, they won't get a scholarship. I'm just saying if they wait until grade 12 they may have less and less options. Seems to me like the "norm" is now grade 11 but those special players are pushing the envelope with schools and some schools pushing them to commit in grade 10.
 
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This is all correct, but the trend, whether we like it or not, is going MUCH younger, evidenced by the number of 16-17 verbal commits. If Canadians don't begin to start the process earlier, I feel it will be too late for some very talented girls to choose where they'd like to go -- some options will be eliminated. Take the U as an example, they already have two D and at least 1 F for 2016-17 freshman class. IF the very top grade 10 D in Canada really wants to goto the U, they are too late!

I doubt it is too late. I think the Gophers will have six players graduating that spring (2016), so they probably still have a couple of recruits to get. Also, I've gotten the impression over the years listening to player interviews that the Canadian girls are not shy about contacting schools early if they are interested. In fact, the Gophers have a Canadian commit for 2015 that was a 10th grader when she said yes. for those that say that is too young, my D had a list of colleges she contacted when she was a 10th grader (looking for academics, not sports). And she had official visits at all of them before picking one.

Katie Robinson's commit was interesting to my wife and I because of where she comes from (we have connections to that part of the state). Here's a local report about her: http://www.postbulletin.com/sports/localsports/robinson-commits-to-the-gophers/article_f16258c2-c964-5e03-bdfc-420ab824a78c.html Note that her coach was the one fielding contacts from college coaches.
 
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I doubt it is too late. I think the Gophers will have six players graduating that spring (2016), so they probably still have a couple of recruits to get. Also, I've gotten the impression over the years listening to player interviews that the Canadian girls are not shy about contacting schools early if they are interested. In fact, the Gophers have a Canadian commit for 2015 that was a 10th grader when she said yes. for those that say that is too young, my D had a list of colleges she contacted when she was a 10th grader (looking for academics, not sports). And she had official visits at all of them before picking one.

Katie Robinson's commit was interesting to my wife and I because of where she comes from (we have connections to that part of the state). Here's a local report about her: http://www.postbulletin.com/sports/localsports/robinson-commits-to-the-gophers/article_f16258c2-c964-5e03-bdfc-420ab824a78c.html Note that her coach was the one fielding contacts from college coaches.

Dodge County Wildcats are making a run for Divison 1 Hockey
http://www.dcinews.com/Sports News/wildcatssophomor.html
 
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North Dakota
Abigail Stanley.................D............(St Louis Lady Blues)..................St. Louis, MO
 
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Since there is nothing in writing, there are too many examples of coaches reneging, and the hockey community in the key markets in Canada is pretty small in a way and highly interconnected. Word travels quickly of the horror stories, and so most coaches tend to actively discourage early commitments, especially to those schools/coaches with known track records for integrity lapses.

I haven't been a member of this forum that long, but the only posts I have read which imply that there are schools with 'known track records for integrity lapses' are related to one particular Ivy League school that has been accused of using the 'admissions problems' method of shucking off committed recruits. Your post seems to indicate that this problem is much larger than anyone on this forum is willing to admit or write about. If this actually happens on such a widespread basis as you seem to imply, why would any recruit want to talk to those coaches/schools at all? Secondarily, why would any coach in their right mind renege so often as to develop a reputation for it. It is obviously counterproductive for any coach who is trying to build a program's long term success to engage in tactics which bring their personal integrity and/or the integrity of their school into doubt. Details please.
 
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Minnesota
Serena D'Angelo...................G.....................(Stoney Creek Jr. Sabres).......................Stoney Creek, Ontario
 
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Minnesota
Serena D'Angelo...................G.....................(Stoney Creek Jr. Sabres).......................Stoney Creek, Ontario

Holy moly! They went out of state for a player (and worse out of country)!!! I thought that was against the U of M rules or code or something. There must be an uproar in the state of hockey that they didn't have a goalie good enough for the U......

Wait... I see now on the roster that Leveille is Canadian - forgot about that - still, weird....
 
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