2016-17 UW-Superior Hockey

[Bradz]

Re: 2016-17 UW-Superior Hockey

What people aren't grasping is the depth of the pit the former regime left the program in relative to the current state of DIII. Or they just don't want to admit it due to personal agendas. I don't know. But what I do know is that it's rather amusing that people who sat silent while the program unfortunately circled the drain for a decade now have all sorts of things to say after just a month under McKenna. If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know, I'm not sure what will.

McKenna deserves the opportunity to prove himself. As it stands today McKenna’s winning percentage at .400 exceeds that of many active D-III coaches who have had plenty of chance to prove themselves and haven’t. It also gives one a good idea of just how some schools feel about the importance of their programs, which of course directly relates to recruiting.

Rich McKenna 4 6 0 .400 10

Ken Hutchins 82 130 18 .396 230
Jay Pecora 22 35 5 .395 62
Lance Brady 73 123 16 .382 212
Chris Potter 101 177 39 .380 317
Chris Glionna 103 177 27 .379 307
Ed Harding 18 31 2 .373 51
Jim Ward 103 191 28 .363 322
Bill Moore 78 144 15 .361 237
Chris Bernard 83 156 21 .360 260
Greg Heffernan 57 118 12 .337 187
Shayne Toporowski 16 38 4 .310 58
Damian DiGiulian 32 75 5 .308 112
Kevin Krogol 22 71 13 .269 106
Seamus Gregory 18 59 9 .262 86
Charlie Burggraf 31 116 13 .234 160

 

[powerofyellowandblack]

Re: 2016-17 UW-Superior Hockey

Some do, some don't. The forest is healthy. Some trees may be sick.

Too deep for me. Is Confuious, or however the crap you spell it, your cousin?

 

[joecct]

Too deep for me. Is Confuious, or however the crap you spell it, your cousin?

No. Webb is not related to me.

 

[walktheline]

Re: 2016-17 UW-Superior Hockey

What people aren't grasping is the depth of the pit the former regime left the program in relative to the current state of DIII. Or they just don't want to admit it due to personal agendas. I don't know. But what I do know is that it's rather amusing that people who sat silent while the program unfortunately circled the drain for a decade now have all sorts of things to say after just a month under McKenna. If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know, I'm not sure what will.

Holy smokes, how long have you waited to release that can of WhoopAss?

The most challenging question about the current regime stands around the inability to make proper adjustments when needed. McKenna is young in the job and clearly learning the control needed in this setting. Sure, coming off an 8-1 victory is good for morale but we all see how that worked earlier in the season. WIAC play begins Friday. No matter the record, it's always fun to welcome conference play. Cheers all.

 

[walktheline]

No. Webb is not related to me.

Anyone know if Webb will be following Pointers to Superior this weekend?

 

[XYZ]

Holy smokes, how long have you waited to release that can of WhoopAss?

The most challenging question about the current regime stands around the inability to make proper adjustments when needed. McKenna is young in the job and clearly learning the control needed in this setting. Sure, coming off an 8-1 victory is good for morale but we all see how that worked earlier in the season. WIAC play begins Friday. No matter the record, it's always fun to welcome conference play. Cheers all.

I'm not trying to release any "whoopass." Nor am I trying to be obnoxious. The truth here is very straightforward. 50,000 words could be posted about UWS and it won't change the fact the program went in the dumps for a very simple reason that takes one or two sentences to explain. So, I'd say give the new guy some time. You can't cut dead weight, change a culture and attitude, and start winning all sorts of games overnight. Can he do it eventually? Don't know. But were I a UWS fan I'd be encouraged by the recruits he kicked up on pretty short notice. Considering the past decade there it defies every form of logic for anyone to all of a sudden start complaining now. Unless they have a personal agenda, of course.

And no I won't be in Superior this weekend. Would make for a rather long trip. Fully expect to be in Utica come March, though.

 

[walktheline]

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I'm not trying to release any "whoopass." Nor am I trying to be obnoxious. The truth here is very straightforward. 50,000 words could be posted about UWS and it won't change the fact the program went in the dumps for a very simple reason that takes one or two sentences to explain. So, I'd say give the new guy some time. You can't cut dead weight, change a culture and attitude, and start winning all sorts of games overnight. Can he do it eventually? Don't know. But were I a UWS fan I'd be encouraged by the recruits he kicked up on pretty short notice. Considering the past decade there it defies every form of logic for anyone to all of a sudden start complaining now. Unless they have a personal agenda, of course.

And no I won't be in Superior this weekend. Would make for a rather long trip. Fully expect to be in Utica come March, though.

I get your point on cutting slack to the new guy, I've mentioned that myself earlier in this thread. However, I yearn for many folks to acknowledge that the WIAC "disbanding" decision fundamentally stripped the conference many years of real legitimacy. Yeah, there are still great success stories from the WIAC but I don't know how long that can last in the current format. For the Yellowjackets, their WIAC conference record, 6-23-3 over the last 3 seasons, is atrocious and you somehow think UWS fans didn't know that was the trend coming into this season. In fact, the last winning conference record for UWS came in the 2010-11 campaign.

I have to also address this notion of "calling for heads." It's DIII College Hockey, not High School. I hope to think the fan base at UWS has a little more respect than angry mothers and fathers.

The last second recruiting done by McKenna this season is positive but these kids followed McKenna here from New Jersey. It's going to be interesting to see the pieces he can put together after a true recruiting rotation.

 

[BetterInLakePlacid]

Re: 2016-17 UW-Superior Hockey

I get your point on cutting slack to the new guy, I've mentioned that myself earlier in this thread. However, I yearn for many folks to acknowledge that the WIAC "disbanding" decision fundamentally stripped the conference many years of real legitimacy. Yeah, there are still great success stories from the WIAC but I don't know how long that can last in the current format. For the Yellowjackets, their WIAC conference record, 6-23-3 over the last 3 seasons, is atrocious and you somehow think UWS fans didn't know that was the trend coming into this season. In fact, the last winning conference record for UWS came in the 2010-11 campaign.

I have to also address this notion of "calling for heads." It's DIII College Hockey, not High School. I hope to think the fan base at UWS has a little more respect than angry mothers and fathers.

The last second recruiting done by McKenna this season is positive but these kids followed McKenna here from New Jersey. It's going to be interesting to see the pieces he can put together after a true recruiting rotation.

You recruit what you know best. With a short time frame, he would have to focus on a smaller area. Brooks at UWSP gets a ton of recruits from Michigan, where he knows best. As long as he can spot decent talent, it doesn't matter where it comes from. In fact, he might be able to get good players that aren't getting looked at as much. Right now, the Pointers appear to have the market on players from Oklahoma. I'm sure McKenna will start spreading out a bit more as he has time.

If anyone wants to see something pretty grim, if you take out games against Finlandia, Northland, and Aurora over the last full seasons, you get the following records for Superior:

2015-2016 - 5-14-3
2014-2015 - 4-18-1

Ouch.

 

[ECfan]

Re: 2016-17 UW-Superior Hockey

Holy smokes, how long have you waited to release that can of WhoopAss?

The most challenging question about the current regime stands around the inability to make proper adjustments when needed. McKenna is young in the job and clearly learning the control needed in this setting. Sure, coming off an 8-1 victory is good for morale but we all see how that worked earlier in the season. WIAC play begins Friday. No matter the record, it's always fun to welcome conference play. Cheers all.

He is in over his head, knows nothing about managing his players. Chooses to keep Graham which was a bigger part of the problem than Stauber was. A coach needs to lead, teach, manage... Not blame the depth of what he inherited. McKenna brought in a number of players, so the excuses don't exist. He's got goalie issues, and no depth there because he cut his best kid. My suggestion is to start the search now to replace him instead of waiting until March or April again. When the team fails, the coach failed. Not winning vs Stout, pretty tells you where the season will end.

 

[walktheline]

Re: 2016-17 UW-Superior Hockey

UWS kept it scoreless for over half the S.P. contest. Flashes of brilliance bit I think it's only luck. Could have been a way higher total for Point but the defense was in line. 3 SOG on the 1st and 6 in the 3rd just won't send the fans home happy.

 

[walktheline]

Re: 2016-17 UW-Superior Hockey

Kyle Miller received the nod in goal today. 0-0 tie after 65 minutes. 39 saves for Miller. Happy holidays to you all.

 

[upfan1111]

Re: 2016-17 UW-Superior Hockey

the problem is simple. They brought in an eastern guy to coach in the west, he has no idea of the culture, league, etc. should have hired 1. Peart 2. esse 3. larson 4. Smalley

 

[joecct]

the problem is simple. They brought in an eastern guy to coach in the west, he has no idea of the culture, league, etc. should have hired 1. Peart 2. esse 3. larson 4. Smalley

Check where he recruits from. That will tell you if he's bought into the culture.

 

[upfan1111]

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how would a western coach do out east?? not a slam on the guy just an uphill battle. Peart works usa hockey has connections and success, esse has played and worked with great coaches alumni larson alumni good coach and scouts for an n.a. team, Smalley need I say more, maybe the best high school coach in the area

 

[DIII]

Re: 2016-17 UW-Superior Hockey

how would a western coach do out east?? not a slam on the guy just an uphill battle. Peart works usa hockey has connections and success, esse has played and worked with great coaches alumni larson alumni good coach and scouts for an n.a. team, Smalley need I say more, maybe the best high school coach in the area

You need to give McKenna some time; BUT UWS also had a chance to hire some coaches with local connections. I know Larson and Smalley are current high school coaches for single A teams in northern MN; did they apply for or were they considered for the job? What are their coaching records?

I had to go back to read about Peart, sure seems like he's been involved in a lot of levels of hockey.

Esse current high school coach and played at UWS. Seems like he would of been a good choice.

Lot of ripping on old regime; how has Stauber done so far at Proctor?

 

[upfan1111]

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You need to give McKenna some time; BUT UWS also had a chance to hire some coaches with local connections. I know Larson and Smalley are current high school coaches for single A teams in northern MN; did they apply for or were they considered for the job? What are their coaching records?

I had to go back to read about Peart, sure seems like he's been involved in a lot of levels of hockey.

Esse current high school coach and played at UWS. Seems like he would of been a good choice.

Lot of ripping on old regime; how has Stauber done so far at Proctor?

not ripping anyone here, just think its tough for an eastern guy, not sure of smalleys, or larsons or even esses. has this guy contacted alumni for help??? no shot at anyone here

 

[westscout]

Re: 2016-17 UW-Superior Hockey

Larson really wasn't even an option-
He is a below average high school coach at a program that when he took over, was producing great players every year. Now the program is almost dead.
Esse was too expensive for UWS and Peart isn't a men's college hockey coach. They hired the best person they could find, for the price to could afford.

 

[upfan1111]

Re: 2016-17 UW-Superior Hockey

Larson really wasn't even an option-
He is a below average high school coach at a program that when he took over, was producing great players every year. Now the program is almost dead.
Esse was too expensive for UWS and Peart isn't a men's college hockey coach. They hired the best person they could find, for the price to could afford.

Smalley maybe?? Peart has worked USA mens camps. One of the best goalie instructor in U.S. Numerous awards