Re: 2015-2016 Division I Commitments
Canadian recruits seldom get announced this early.
Canadian recruits seldom get announced this early.
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2015-2016 Division I Commitments
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Sorry, forgot hometown!
Rachel Khalouf, D, Altoona, PA, Pittsburgh Penguins Elite to UVM
The rest you already had from Pittsburgh Penguins Elite: Pippy Gerace (Cornell); Mackenzie Lancaster (Quinnipiac), and Ireland Mooney (Merrimack). They will all play u19 one more year and be freshman in 2015.
HockeyEast33
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Re: 2015-2016 Division I Commitments
From Assabet Valley website
Harvard
Caitrin Lonergan ............ F ............... US U-18/St Pauls/Assabet Valley ................ New England
This is a great commitment for Harvard - a very talented player.
From Assabet Valley website
Harvard
Caitrin Lonergan ............ F ............... US U-18/St Pauls/Assabet Valley ................ New England
This is a great commitment for Harvard - a very talented player.
Re: 2015-2016 Division I Commitments
Caitrin is a very talented player, but she is a 2016-17 commitment.
Caitrin is a very talented player, but she is a 2016-17 commitment.
HockeyEast33
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Re: 2015-2016 Division I Commitments
Are you sure? She is listed as a 2015 graduate on the Assabet website.
Are you sure? She is listed as a 2015 graduate on the Assabet website.
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Well, she is a '98 on the U18 roster. Could be another Sasha Sherry though.
96IllinoisDad
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Re: 2015-2016 Division I Commitments
Lonergan appears to be a 2016. Her DOB is 9/10/1997. (Looks like Assabet website is wrong). Gilmore is the '98 on Team USA and is listed as a freshman at Nobles.
http://hnibnews.com/2014/02/10/girls-hockey-jacques-lonergan-make-college-choices/
Lonergan appears to be a 2016. Her DOB is 9/10/1997. (Looks like Assabet website is wrong). Gilmore is the '98 on Team USA and is listed as a freshman at Nobles.
http://hnibnews.com/2014/02/10/girls-hockey-jacques-lonergan-make-college-choices/
Re: 2015-2016 Division I Commitments
“I’ve lived in Boston my whole life and when Harvard offered me a commitment spot it was an amazing feeling knowing I could play for my hometown in college. It has always been my dream since I was a little girl.” . . .
“I never put a deadline on myself for when I wanted to commit, it was something that just happened,” she said. “I knew Harvard was the place I wanted to be and my mind was made up. Now I can focus on my grades and SAT/ACT scores.”
This is all incredibly disturbing. Just hope things work out for this naif.
“I’ve lived in Boston my whole life and when Harvard offered me a commitment spot it was an amazing feeling knowing I could play for my hometown in college. It has always been my dream since I was a little girl.” . . .
“I never put a deadline on myself for when I wanted to commit, it was something that just happened,” she said. “I knew Harvard was the place I wanted to be and my mind was made up. Now I can focus on my grades and SAT/ACT scores.”
This is all incredibly disturbing. Just hope things work out for this naif.
Re: 2015-2016 Division I Commitments
Are you saying this is disturbing because she is just a 10th grader i.e. too young or because from what I read on this board that Harvard apparently has a reputation with regard to recruiting issues or both or something else? just curious.
Are you saying this is disturbing because she is just a 10th grader i.e. too young or because from what I read on this board that Harvard apparently has a reputation with regard to recruiting issues or both or something else? just curious.
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HockeyEast33
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Re: 2015-2016 Division I Commitments
I would NOT be concerned for her. She is a long time Assabet Valley player and there is no way Harvard is going to decommit to her and risk their close and very productive association with Assabet Valley (and Nobles for that matter, although that isn't relevant in this case because she goes to St Pauls ... for now). They are carrying 8 former Assabet players on this year's roster and have 2 more coming in next season. I suppose if she tanked the SATs or her grades dropped she might have an issue, but it won't be a hockey related issue. They'll "manage" their commitments with Canadiens and mid-Westerners...
I would NOT be concerned for her. She is a long time Assabet Valley player and there is no way Harvard is going to decommit to her and risk their close and very productive association with Assabet Valley (and Nobles for that matter, although that isn't relevant in this case because she goes to St Pauls ... for now). They are carrying 8 former Assabet players on this year's roster and have 2 more coming in next season. I suppose if she tanked the SATs or her grades dropped she might have an issue, but it won't be a hockey related issue. They'll "manage" their commitments with Canadiens and mid-Westerners...
Re: 2015-2016 Division I Commitments
All of the above.
Part of what is disturbing is apparently that few people find anything disturbing about these situations--either the impact on student-athletes down the road, or the lack of integrity on the part of coaches who have no qualms whatsoever about going back on their word. I can't fathom why anyone would go public at this early juncture. There is no upside, and considerable downside.
First of all. The girl has just taken herself off the market, probably without doing a whole lot of real world research because she's wants the fairy tale ending and she believes her lifelong dream has just come true. In grade 10, she really hasn't had much time to figure out what's what with respect to comparing various educational options and whether the pre-conceived perceptions of each meet the reality, how the recruiting process truly works, or probably how a particular school's offerings match up with her possible Majors (which she probably really has no idea of yet either). Yet she has now just closed her other educational doors on the word of a coach, who is not the ultimate decision-maker, and furthermore whose track record for honesty and integrity is less than stellar.
What happens to her if and when things change later and she finds out a commitment isn't actually a commitment at all? What if she doesn't get the grades/scores , or is later outshone by other athletes still uncommitted, and has to recontact other coaches who haven't watched her for 2 years? Even if she doesn't end up scrambling again in Gr 12, how might it affect her that despite the program wanting her so seemingly badly so young, she unexpectedly were to find herself at the bottom of the depth chart later, and not playing at all? Would she make the same educational decision? Has she or her parents even asked themselves these questions?
The definition of a commitment is the dictionary is a promise, an obligation. Especially in an Ivy League school, it is the Admissions Committee that is the decision-maker. Without having the needed scores and grades, no coach can actually extend a true commitment. Most prospects don't understand this. Coaches who freely make such "commitments" without having assurances from Admissions that a prospect is at least highly likely to clear are truly devoid of integrity. At this early date, not only is nothing in writing with respect to said commitment, but the girl has publicly admitted she still needs to work on her grades and SAT scores!! This suggests she has no clue about how the process really works, or what may very well go wrong later.
Many coaches are preying on the naivety of prospects and their parents lack of understanding of the process and who the ultimate decision-makers really are, merely to get/keep a leg up on their competitors. Doesn't anyone care that student-athletes lives and educations are being negatively affected when coaches later renege, all in the name of a few sports wins !? It becomes quite handy later when coaches disingenuously blame unforeseen Admissions issues for failing to fulfill their obligations to prospects. As a parent, have you even given thought about the impact on your offspring of spending much of their time under the influence of individuals who value sports wins ahead of personal honesty and integrity in their personal dealings?
And yes, as it happens, this particular program has an especially poor record of honouring its various commitment obligations over the past few years. Because of the strength of the school name and an associated very large pool of interested athletes, it's managed to fare very well regardless. However, I know it has certainly dissuaded more than a few high profile prospects in recent years outside of the MA area.
Before that, it was Dartmouth among the Ivys who had gained the worst reputation for reneging. While it took a few years for their poor reputation to catch up with them, we've seen how that behaviour has ultimately affected recent recruiting classes and program performance. A couple of other non-Ivy schools especially known for similar practices a few years ago have similarly fallen from national prominence on the ice recently.
All of the above.
Part of what is disturbing is apparently that few people find anything disturbing about these situations--either the impact on student-athletes down the road, or the lack of integrity on the part of coaches who have no qualms whatsoever about going back on their word. I can't fathom why anyone would go public at this early juncture. There is no upside, and considerable downside.
First of all. The girl has just taken herself off the market, probably without doing a whole lot of real world research because she's wants the fairy tale ending and she believes her lifelong dream has just come true. In grade 10, she really hasn't had much time to figure out what's what with respect to comparing various educational options and whether the pre-conceived perceptions of each meet the reality, how the recruiting process truly works, or probably how a particular school's offerings match up with her possible Majors (which she probably really has no idea of yet either). Yet she has now just closed her other educational doors on the word of a coach, who is not the ultimate decision-maker, and furthermore whose track record for honesty and integrity is less than stellar.
What happens to her if and when things change later and she finds out a commitment isn't actually a commitment at all? What if she doesn't get the grades/scores , or is later outshone by other athletes still uncommitted, and has to recontact other coaches who haven't watched her for 2 years? Even if she doesn't end up scrambling again in Gr 12, how might it affect her that despite the program wanting her so seemingly badly so young, she unexpectedly were to find herself at the bottom of the depth chart later, and not playing at all? Would she make the same educational decision? Has she or her parents even asked themselves these questions?
The definition of a commitment is the dictionary is a promise, an obligation. Especially in an Ivy League school, it is the Admissions Committee that is the decision-maker. Without having the needed scores and grades, no coach can actually extend a true commitment. Most prospects don't understand this. Coaches who freely make such "commitments" without having assurances from Admissions that a prospect is at least highly likely to clear are truly devoid of integrity. At this early date, not only is nothing in writing with respect to said commitment, but the girl has publicly admitted she still needs to work on her grades and SAT scores!! This suggests she has no clue about how the process really works, or what may very well go wrong later.
Many coaches are preying on the naivety of prospects and their parents lack of understanding of the process and who the ultimate decision-makers really are, merely to get/keep a leg up on their competitors. Doesn't anyone care that student-athletes lives and educations are being negatively affected when coaches later renege, all in the name of a few sports wins !? It becomes quite handy later when coaches disingenuously blame unforeseen Admissions issues for failing to fulfill their obligations to prospects. As a parent, have you even given thought about the impact on your offspring of spending much of their time under the influence of individuals who value sports wins ahead of personal honesty and integrity in their personal dealings?
And yes, as it happens, this particular program has an especially poor record of honouring its various commitment obligations over the past few years. Because of the strength of the school name and an associated very large pool of interested athletes, it's managed to fare very well regardless. However, I know it has certainly dissuaded more than a few high profile prospects in recent years outside of the MA area.
Before that, it was Dartmouth among the Ivys who had gained the worst reputation for reneging. While it took a few years for their poor reputation to catch up with them, we've seen how that behaviour has ultimately affected recent recruiting classes and program performance. A couple of other non-Ivy schools especially known for similar practices a few years ago have similarly fallen from national prominence on the ice recently.
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I completely agree that because of the Assabet relationship, the risk of reneging for hockey reasons in this particular case is remote. You are quite correct, it is the non-Mass recruits who end up at risk if too many strong players who can made the academic hurdles end up committing by Early Decision day.
In this case, the bolded sentence with regard to grades and SAT scores is a very real source of concern. If she doesn't get the needed scores and grades, the fact that she is from Assabet is completely irrelevant. Until she gets them, there is actually no commitment whatsoever.
I would NOT be concerned for her. She is a long time Assabet Valley player and there is no way Harvard is going to decommit to her and risk their close and very productive association with Assabet Valley (and Nobles for that matter, although that isn't relevant in this case because she goes to St Pauls ... for now). They are carrying 8 former Assabet players on this year's roster and have 2 more coming in next season. I suppose if she tanked the SATs or her grades dropped she might have an issue, but it won't be a hockey related issue. They'll "manage" their commitments with Canadiens and mid-Westerners...
I completely agree that because of the Assabet relationship, the risk of reneging for hockey reasons in this particular case is remote. You are quite correct, it is the non-Mass recruits who end up at risk if too many strong players who can made the academic hurdles end up committing by Early Decision day.
In this case, the bolded sentence with regard to grades and SAT scores is a very real source of concern. If she doesn't get the needed scores and grades, the fact that she is from Assabet is completely irrelevant. Until she gets them, there is actually no commitment whatsoever.
Re: 2015-2016 Division I Commitments
Those seem to be valid concerns to me. My only response would be does the prospective recruit risk losing her spot if she does not commit?
Those seem to be valid concerns to me. My only response would be does the prospective recruit risk losing her spot if she does not commit?
96IllinoisDad
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Re: 2015-2016 Division I Commitments
So your future coach is pressuring you to make a decision as a sophomore or lose your spot? My advice would be to let that coach and program go.
So your future coach is pressuring you to make a decision as a sophomore or lose your spot? My advice would be to let that coach and program go.
Re: 2015-2016 Division I Commitments
Highly unlikely.
Ivy schools cannot issue "likely letters" prior to October 1 of Gr 12. Before that, no commitment is official anyway.
As long as she has her paperwork into Admissions in September, and of course most importantly has the necessary grades and SAT/ACT scores to meet the school's hurdles, there would be no problem.
The only risk would be that the coach might favour and rank more highly other incoming recruits in the admissions pile. But if as a player you end up say 5th-8th on the coach's final list in the fall of Grade 12, you're going to wish you'd known this information anyway back when you'd committed early, because you're not likely to be seeing the ice much if at all.
And, as has been noted separately, because of the importance of maintaining a strong relationship with Assabet for a future flow of prospects, she's likely to be given better than average treatment regardless of when she commits.
Highly unlikely.
Ivy schools cannot issue "likely letters" prior to October 1 of Gr 12. Before that, no commitment is official anyway.
As long as she has her paperwork into Admissions in September, and of course most importantly has the necessary grades and SAT/ACT scores to meet the school's hurdles, there would be no problem.
The only risk would be that the coach might favour and rank more highly other incoming recruits in the admissions pile. But if as a player you end up say 5th-8th on the coach's final list in the fall of Grade 12, you're going to wish you'd known this information anyway back when you'd committed early, because you're not likely to be seeing the ice much if at all.
And, as has been noted separately, because of the importance of maintaining a strong relationship with Assabet for a future flow of prospects, she's likely to be given better than average treatment regardless of when she commits.
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