2014 IIHF U18 Women's World Championships

[rangersrule]

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RR- Of course Call it comment would be different and about half of the players shouldn't be on this team. They got hammered 5-1. A great tournament!! There are only 2 teams as of this moment. I won't say that the players will be riding the pine at college but I also don't think USA had the RIGHT 20 players on their squad either. The process that chooses this team is flawed and there is Regional issues that need to be taken care of. The Heads of USA hockey should be taken to task from the top down through the coaches staff. The fact that you even have D1 coaches (all Eastern except the video coach) is a problem as it looks like they use this team is a recruiting tool. Whether it is or isn't, is not the point, it is perspective of those not there. Have a competent D3 staff in place on the bench as they weren't getting any of those players anyways. Just looks better from the outside looking in.

You think half the team should have been different? That is a big number. I know people all have opinions about who should have been and who shouldn't have been on the team. There is no perfect solution to picking this team. I do believe however that Jeff Kampersal chose this team without a hidden agenda! Almost all of the top 6-8 forwards on this team are already D-1 commits and about half of them are going to Minnesota or Wisconsin. On defense it is the same thing-- about half! I'm not sure what you mean about him trying to recruit kids to Eastern schools. A large number of kids growing up in the east want to go to schools in the east anyway. I seriously doubt that he or the other coaches told the kids they had a spot on this team if they committed to Princeton, BC, or BU! To insinuate that is insulting and to think that is dumb and small minded!

 

[96IllinoisDad]

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You think half the team should have been different? That is a big number. I know people all have opinions about who should have been and who shouldn't have been on the team. There is no perfect solution to picking this team. I do believe however that Jeff Kampersal chose this team without a hidden agenda! Almost all of the top 6-8 forwards on this team are already D-1 commits and about half of them are going to Minnesota or Wisconsin. On defense it is the same thing-- about half! I'm not sure what you mean about him trying to recruit kids to Eastern schools. A large number of kids growing up in the east want to go to schools in the east anyway. I seriously doubt that he or the other coaches told the kids they had a spot on this team if they committed to Princeton, BC, or BU! To insinuate that is insulting and to think that is dumb and small minded!

Did Kampersall pick this team?

 

[rangersrule]

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I'm not sure if he did or didn't, but you have to think he had a say in the choosing of this team. My point is that saying half of this team should have been different is crazy!

Did Kampersall pick this team?

 

[Genbeau]

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Disappointing, but not surprising IMO.

Dissappointed as well. I'm not sure if I was more surprised by our girls losing by 4, or the Russians taking Les Canadiennes to O.T. I guess based off of previous scores with Canada and how the girls did in the prelims, I was expecting a closer outcome. Why were you not surprised if you don't mind me asking.

 

[North East DAD]

It's the obsession with the "super skills" players and disregard for the intangibles. Grit, heart, love of country etc. You've watch it play out now twice. Once with the Olympic team and now the 18's.
It does make difference. The Canadians have to win, it's what they do, it's there sport. It's what defines their country. U may think I'm crazy but I'm being 100% honest.

What is going on with the Women's side of USA Hockey? Politics, lack of leadership and such? I have seen the u18 team, some of the players are going to ride pine with the schools they choose.

 

[FredsDeadFriend]

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Olympic Gold Womens - Check

Olympic Gold Mens - Check

U - 18 Womens's Gold - Check

need I say anymore?

What are you trying to say exactly? Are you Canadian or something?

 

[Call It]

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Ranger Rule, did your daughter not put up any points again? Bad +/-? I remember having this debate with you about U18 players not performing well at the NAHA Labor Day Tournament.

Many u18 players do not perform well at the NCAA level. Stop being some defensive, I'm sure your daughter will get a good education and a participation trophy from Hungray.

 

[Call It]

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What are you trying to say exactly? Are you Canadian or something?

No, he is from Clarkson. Why would you think that?

 

[Call It]

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It's the obsession with the "super skills" players and disregard for the intangibles. Grit, heart, love of country etc. You've watch it play out now twice. Once with the Olympic team and now the 18's.
It does make difference. The Canadians have to win, it's what they do, it's there sport. It's what defines their country. U may think I'm crazy but I'm being 100% honest.

I agree with you 100%!

You need a TT, but not a 12th ranked TT. Someone needs to play D against their TT.

TT is Taylar Cianfarano.

I just had a thought, why don't we have Chicago Mission play Canada? CM has 1 player on the u18 team. Assabet & Shattucks have to many.

Chicago Wins u19 National Championship.

BTW, Assabet goes out in Round 1 of Nationals. They have no Defense, even though Carl thinks they do. Hahahah.

Shattucks, they won't go to the Semi's. 3/4 kids don't make a team. And yes, I know that SSM has 5 players on the u18 team.

 

[96IllinoisDad]

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Dissappointed as well. I'm not sure if I was more surprised by our girls losing by 4, or the Russians taking Les Canadiennes to O.T. I guess based off of previous scores with Canada and how the girls did in the prelims, I was expecting a closer outcome. Why were you not surprised if you don't mind me asking.

Canada outshot Russians 70-24. That looks like a goalie game.

USA - I have a number of things, but here are a couple general things -

Why take 7 97s and 2 98s? You are spotting a lot of maturity, strength, and experience? Why? Canada had 3 97s. Is USA's talent pool in US so different than Canada's? I know you try and develop, but you develop to win big games (i.e. against Canada).

Timing wise, half our kids haven't played "competitive hockey" (i.e., tough teams) for 3-6 months. I think these kids in general were stronger in the Can-AM series.
That is no fault of theirs just a fact.

USA's early games were blowouts. Look at the shots - 54-17, 72-5, 58-13, 61-9 - that is pure talent dominating. I could coach those games. I could put a team or two of "other" US kids together to beat those teams. It is all about playing Canada and winning.

Is McCloskey a US citizen now? Hire him full time to run the 18s, and let him run it.

 

[Call It]

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USA's early games were blowouts. Look at the shots - 54-17, 72-5, 58-13, 61-9 - that is pure talent dominating. I could coach those games. I could put a team or two of "other" US kids together to beat those teams. It is all about playing Canada and winning.

The u16 National Champion could beat those teams or the Minny HS State Champs.

You bring up great points.

 

[rangersrule]

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Ranger Rule, did your daughter not put up any points again? Bad +/-? I remember having this debate with you about U18 players not performing well at the NAHA Labor Day Tournament.

Many u18 players do not perform well at the NCAA level. Stop being some defensive, I'm sure your daughter will get a good education and a participation trophy from Hungray.

Take it easy Call It! I don't even have kids playing hockey anymore. They both played back in the '80's when female players didn't have the opportunities they have today. I am still very interested in the game though and have seen a few of the players that were on the U-18 team play for their respective club/school teams during the course of the last few years. Despite losing a game to Canada I still believe they will have success at the college level! And by the way-- you really need to take your time posting. Spelling errors everywhere!

 

[3703]

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What is going on with the Women's side of USA Hockey? Politics, lack of leadership and such? I have seen the u18 team, some of the players are going to ride pine with the schools they choose.

Part of the problem is that the person directing the program came to USA Hockey from a job in fan development and marketing from the Atlanta Thrashers and Atlanta Hawks.

 

[wrongway]

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Canada outshot Russians 70-24. That looks like a goalie game.

USA - I have a number of things, but here are a couple general things -

Why take 7 97s and 2 98s? You are spotting a lot of maturity, strength, and experience? Why? Canada had 3 97s. Is USA's talent pool in US so different than Canada's? I know you try and develop, but you develop to win big games (i.e. against Canada).

Timing wise, half our kids haven't played "competitive hockey" (i.e., tough teams) for 3-6 months. I think these kids in general were stronger in the Can-AM series.
That is no fault of theirs just a fact.

USA's early games were blowouts. Look at the shots - 54-17, 72-5, 58-13, 61-9 - that is pure talent dominating. I could coach those games. I could put a team or two of "other" US kids together to beat those teams. It is all about playing Canada and winning.

Is McCloskey a US citizen now? Hire him full time to run the 18s, and let him run it.

They take 7 97's and 2 98's because many of the 96's are committed already and this U18 team is mainly used as a recruiting tool in my opinion. I am sure they are all very talented and it is nothing against the young girls. If it was about winning they surely would have a more mature team.

 

[OnMAA]

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No, he is from Clarkson. Why would you think that?

Is Clarkson not Canadian ?

 

[Stick Boy]

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The talent level has grown in the USA and the gap has closed between the two rivals, Canada-USA. However, the difference is 1) Canadians have a burning internal desire above all else to win Gold while 2) the Americans have a need to beat Canada. Therein lies the problem...stop worrying about the Canadians and look within to build the character/hunger/togetherness to win and not just win over Canada.

 

[OnMAA]

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The talent level has grown in the USA and the gap has closed between the two rivals, Canada-USA. However, the difference is 1) Canadians have a burning internal desire above all else to win Gold while 2) the Americans have a need to beat Canada. Therein lies the problem...stop worrying about the Canadians and look within to build the character/hunger/togetherness to win and not just win over Canada.

Have people forgotten that the US pretty much won the U18 event the in the first few years it was contested ?.

This event is about 7 or 8 years old. (First group to contest it was the 1990 YOB group), and if memory serves me correctly the US won the first two years, and 3 of the first 4. Point is that over the years, this has gone about 50/50. As with any sport, there are cycles, but this event has NOT been dominated by Canada every year, as some posters are suggesting. As a matter of fact, when this event started, Canada won the first exhibition series, but after that the US U18 squad dominated for a two year stretch, until Canada finally beat the US U18's during the infamous OT game in Chicago.

 

[Hux]

As a matter of fact, when this event started, Canada won the first exhibition series, but after that the US U18 squad dominated for a two year stretch, until Canada finally beat the US U18's during the infamous OT game in Chicago.

With the help of a napping goal judge.

The US dominated last year's Gold medal game as well, until a last second extra attacker goal sent the game to OT.

 

[ARM]

Have people forgotten that the US pretty won the U18 event the in the first few years it was contested ?

If you look at the comments that typically originate out of either country in the aftermath of a loss at the Olympics, World Championships, or U-18 Worlds, it is heavily weighted based on the most recent result. Some people are almost happier when their own country loses because it strengthens the argument that those making decisions are either idiots or are biased in some way. I admit that is tempting to do; I don't know much, but I'll still scratch my head in the wake of some decisions.

 

[Hux]

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They take 7 97's and 2 98's because many of the 96's are committed already and this U18 team is mainly used as a recruiting tool in my opinion. I am sure they are all very talented and it is nothing against the young girls. If it was about winning they surely would have a more mature team.

There has been talk of the "recruiting tool/advantage/conflict of interest" for some time now. I agree that a good way to avoid that issue, either real or imagined, would be to have someone that is not attached to a D1 school. Coaches such Jodi McKenna, who led the US squad to a Gold in 2011, or Plattsburgh's Kevin Houle would be obvious choices.

I would suggest that Maria Lewis, known for her scouting prowess that helped build Mercyhurst and then North Dakota, would be an excellent choise as scout and head coach for the U18 program and National teams.