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2013 Early Departures

Osorojo said:
Tipsy:

Is it my "presence" or "prescience" which troubles you? No matter. The fact is that this year's Minnesota roster included 15 draft picks, North Dakota 14, Notre Dame 12, Michigan 11, and Wisconsin 9, while in the Frozen Four SCSU had 5 draft picks, Yale 4, Quinnipiac 3, and U. Mass Lowell 3. This seems a significant variation to me, one which cannot be explained by a simple excuse such as "parity." If drafted and undrafted players are at parity why don't the pros fire their scouts and buy a dart board?

College hockey programs devote a great deal of time and money to recruiting drafted players, and fans obsess incessantly over signing top draft picks. If parity is the rule, then why all the fuss? I hoped a serious response would enlighten me, or at least provide some credible alternatives to consider: perhaps different rules, or different coaching, or different motivation? My Alma Mater taught me to seek reason, not belittle the education of others.
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Some kids take longer to develop than others.
 
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Unreal, that's already 20 early departures before the Frozen Four begins.

Well on our way to another summer of 30 NHL departures like the past three summers....2013-14 should have many contenders in each conference, players with weaker Hobey credentials and wide open NCAA tournaments.
 
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Osorojo said:
Tipsy:

Is it my "presence" or "prescience" which troubles you? No matter. The fact is that this year's Minnesota roster included 15 draft picks, North Dakota 14, Notre Dame 12, Michigan 11, and Wisconsin 9, while in the Frozen Four SCSU had 5 draft picks, Yale 4, Quinnipiac 3, and U. Mass Lowell 3. This seems a significant variation to me, one which cannot be explained by a simple excuse such as "parity." If drafted and undrafted players are at parity why don't the pros fire their scouts and buy a dart board?

College hockey programs devote a great deal of time and money to recruiting drafted players, and fans obsess incessantly over signing top draft picks. If parity is the rule, then why all the fuss? I hoped a serious response would enlighten me, or at least provide some credible alternatives to consider: perhaps different rules, or different coaching, or different motivation? My Alma Mater taught me to seek reason, not belittle the education of others.
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I wasn't belittling your education. Just wasn't sure if you wanted an answer or were making a point.

Here are some reasons. One is what MNS mentioned: some kids take longer to develop. Another is that the schools that aren't able to persuade draft picks to sign because they would rather go to Minnesota, UND, BC, etc. can take a 19, 20 or 21 year old freshman and counter the talent and potential of the younger person with experience and size. A third reason is that while the power programs are able to recruit the more talented players, some of those players don't stay all four years. So when you have a QU team with 13 or 14 seniors, they are going to have a big advantage over a team like Minnesota who had one senior. So there are a couple answers to your question.
 
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Osorojo said:
Yup. So what? The goal of higher education (the "C" in NCAA) is exactly that: "Collegiate" = higher education; not bigger contracts with the NHL, NFL,NBA, WFL, PGA, IHRA, or what have you - who couldn't give less of a hoot about education.
I'm still puzzled by the huge gulf between playoff DI NCAA hockey teams with LOTS of pro hockey draft picks and DI NCAA hockey teams in the current Frozen Four, who average less than three NHL picks per team? Bad scouts or bad NCAA hockey?
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and I thought it is because the FF teams had less talent, but were older.
 
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Tipsy McStagger said:
I wasn't belittling your education. Just wasn't sure if you wanted an answer or were making a point.

Here are some reasons. One is what MNS mentioned: some kids take longer to develop. Another is that the schools that aren't able to persuade draft picks to sign because they would rather go to Minnesota, UND, BC, etc. can take a 19, 20 or 21 year old freshman and counter the talent and potential of the younger person with experience and size. A third reason is that while the power programs are able to recruit the more talented players, some of those players don't stay all four years. So when you have a QU team with 13 or 14 seniors, they are going to have a big advantage over a team like Minnesota who had one senior. So there are a couple answers to your question.
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Thanks for your reasoned response. The possibilities you suggest make sense. Do you suppose if this seeming trend of success continues among programs with more continuity and experience [and maybe teamwork] it will cause "power programs" to reassess their recruiting and priorities?
BTW: I did not see your earlier response as demeaning. I unwisely recognized some lurkers who habitually butt in with off-topic slurs.
 
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Osorojo said:
Thanks for your reasoned response. The possibilities you suggest make sense. Do you suppose if this seeming trend of success continues among programs with more continuity and experience [and maybe teamwork] it will cause "power programs" to reassess their recruiting and priorities?
BTW: I did not see your earlier response as demeaning. I unwisely recognized some lurkers who habitually butt in with off-topic slurs.
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Of course they make sense, anyone who has any kind of college hockey knowledge knows how it works now. This isn't your 1980's college hockey, although I'm sure you know that and are just being a d-bag, like you are in most threads.
 
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A lot to catch up on in here. Nick Shore is gone, as the cupboard in Denver becomes more bare.
 
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The Exiled One said:
No surprise to anybody, junior defenseman Nick Jensen of St. Cloud State has signed with Detroit.
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A very long stretch, about 20 days without a signing from UML's Ruhwedel to SCSU's Jensen. 25 players signed from the end of the regular season to the Frozen Four. Only one since the tournament final. Apparently players are making up their minds early this year.
 
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Early departures are recipients of "scholarships," although their departures suggest that "scholarship" is not a priority with them, and in their case probably not with their sponsoring schools. Just to clarify reality why not label these grants-in-aid "hockeyships?" There are bound to be some exceptions, but not nearly as many as those which belie the name "scholarship."

"If thought can corrupt language language can corrupt thought." - George Orwell
 
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Osorojo said:
Early departures are recipients of "scholarships," although their departures suggest that "scholarship" is not a priority with them, and in their case probably not with their sponsoring schools. Just to clarify reality why not label these grants-in-aid "hockeyships?" There are bound to be some exceptions, but not nearly as many as those which belie the name "scholarship."

"If thought can corrupt language language can corrupt thought." - George Orwell
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