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2013 DI BCS Thread: Thorthu Thame ish bacth!

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LynahFan said:
All of your points are just explanations of why TV bans WOULD work....if the NCAA had the stones to impose them. TV revenue is too high to be feasible? I say: to whom much is given, much is expected.
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So, why should Illinois have to pay a price due to a screw up on PSU's part? Why should North Carolina lose out because of Miami?

A TV ban just doesn't effect the team that is named... It has much more than just a single casualty...
 
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RaceBoarder said:
So, why should Illinois have to pay a price due to a screw up on PSU's part? Why should North Carolina lose out because of Miami?

A TV ban just doesn't effect the team that is named... It has much more than just a single casualty...
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This whole thing punishes innocent people. Why should a kid miss out on a scholarship - or play on a team with reduced scholarships, a bowl ban etc. - because of cheating that happened when he was in junior high?
 
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RaceBoarder said:
So, why should Illinois have to pay a price due to a screw up on PSU's part? Why should North Carolina lose out because of Miami?

A TV ban just doesn't effect the team that is named... It has much more than just a single casualty...
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Illinois still gets it's other 11 games on TV. PSU doesn't. I really don't think 1 game of exposure will impact a team very much, if at all.
 
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Priceless said:
This whole thing punishes innocent people. Why should a kid miss out on a scholarship - or play on a team with reduced scholarships, a bowl ban etc. - because of cheating that happened when he was in junior high?
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The NCAA rarely punishes the people directly responsible for wrongdoings. Look at all the basketball coaches that get a program in trouble and then skip to some other program, avoiding any sanctions the NCAA eventually levies.
 
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RaceBoarder said:
So, why should Illinois have to pay a price due to a screw up on PSU's part? Why should North Carolina lose out because of Miami?

A TV ban just doesn't effect the team that is named... It has much more than just a single casualty...
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You ever been part of a class that got punished because one kid screwed off? How much did you screw off after that? How much did you help make sure others didnt either?

Lets be honest though, if this had been Central Florida or South Florida heads would be rolling.
 
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Handyman said:
You ever been part of a class that got punished because one kid screwed off? How much did you screw off after that? How much did you help make sure others didnt either?.
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Oh, so we should bring back the Code Red! (because we all know that those don't happen anymore, right?)
 
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RaceBoarder said:
So, why should Illinois have to pay a price due to a screw up on PSU's part? Why should North Carolina lose out because of Miami?

A TV ban just doesn't effect the team that is named... It has much more than just a single casualty...
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Let me guess, you'd also argue that child abusers should be spared jail time lest their unfortunate children have to be raised by a single mother...

You might just as easily ask why Illinois or North Carolina should benefit from getting a "big game" against an opponent whose record/stature/prestige is artificially inflated by cheating. And yes, I do consider what PSU did to be "cheating." They covered up for years in order to win more games and bring in more revenue than they would have if they'd properly reported the issues at the time they occurred.

The world is interconnected; that's just the way things work.
 
MinnesotaNorthStar said:
Illinois still gets it's other 11 games on TV. PSU doesn't. I really don't think 1 game of exposure will impact a team very much, if at all.
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Iowa at Penn State, for example, is important for recruiting areas such as New Jersey and Maryland. National exposure helps in recruiting; but ultimately, winning games wins recruits.
 
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MavHockey14 said:
Iowa at Penn State, for example, is important for recruiting areas such as New Jersey and Maryland. National exposure helps in recruiting; but ultimately, winning games wins recruits.
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Iowa at Rutgers and Maryland will do the same thing...;)
 
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MavHockey14 said:
Iowa at Penn State, for example, is important for recruiting areas such as New Jersey and Maryland. National exposure helps in recruiting; but ultimately, winning games wins recruits.
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Then Iowa should push the B16 to better monitor their conferencemates, to make sure that they aren't cheating, if that one game means so much.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Then Iowa should push the B16 to better monitor their conferencemates, to make sure that they aren't cheating, if that one game means so much.
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Exactly!! Hell, how mad would a League Commissioner be if he's stuck with a whole lot of games that they can't air, they can't sell ad time for? You bet your *** he's going to be keeping his ear to the ground to root out any and all possible infractions before it becomes a chronic problem that results in a school earning a TV ban.
 
bigmrg74 said:
Exactly!! Hell, how mad would a League Commissioner be if he's stuck with a whole lot of games that they can't air, they can't sell ad time for? You bet your *** he's going to be keeping his ear to the ground to root out any and all possible infractions before it becomes a chronic problem that results in a school earning a TV ban.
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Or the league commissioner could fear the potential consequences so much that s/he tells the schools to keep their mouths shut, stop anonymously informing on their conference-mates and see if the NCAA can catch them.
 
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Priceless said:
Or the league commissioner could fear the potential consequences so much that s/he tells the schools to keep their mouths shut, stop anonymously informing on their conference-mates and see if the NCAA can catch them.
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In which case the entire conference should be punished, as the commissioner is the representative of the whole conference.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
In which case the entire conference should be punished, as the commissioner is the representative of the whole conference.
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If they get caught. And if it can be shown the commissioner said any of this.

The problem for them to worry about isn't the NCAA as much as Yahoo Sports, Deadspin etc who will devote whatever resources necessary to bring down a powerhouse because it'll increase their page views. NCAA "investigations" are a joke these days.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
Exactly!! Hell, how mad would a League Commissioner be if he's stuck with a whole lot of games that they can't air, they can't sell ad time for? You bet your *** he's going to be keeping his ear to the ground to root out any and all possible infractions before it becomes a chronic problem that results in a school earning a TV ban.
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Almost as mad as a Commissioner of a league where nobody breaks the rules and the teams aren't competitive and they don't get big contracts and fill stadiums and on and on.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
In which case the entire conference should be punished, as the commissioner is the representative of the whole conference.
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And the 3 or 4 schools that we not cheating would be free to go join a conference that hasn't been busted for cheating or covering up cheating. If anything, I think that sooner or later, the truth is going to be exposed, especially in this day in age when just about everybody has a camera on their phone and collect evidence that can be put up on facebook or twitter for all of the world to see.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
And the 3 or 4 schools that we not cheating would be free to go join a conference that hasn't been busted for cheating or covering up cheating. If anything, I think that sooner or later, the truth is going to be exposed, especially in this day in age when just about everybody has a camera on their phone and collect evidence that can be put up on facebook or twitter for all of the world to see.
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Yep. Any conference commissioner (or athletic director, head coach, or water boy) betting his career on the ability to keep violations covered up is an idiot.
 
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LynahFan said:
Yep. Any conference commissioner (or athletic director, head coach, or water boy) betting his career on the ability to keep violations covered up is an idiot.
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The world is full of them!

People wouldn't bet on it, but they would turn a blind eye here and there. And with the way people can hop to another school when trouble hits, leaving other people to pay for their misbehavior, the consequences often are not that bad to be at a school that's caught cheating, as long as it's not too bad.
 
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