So North Dakota is brilliant because of a product that's been underneath their soil for millions of years? Is this sorta how George W Bush was an up by your bootstraps success story by virtue of being the first born son of a President?
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2012 Presidential Election - The Day after the Aftermath...
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So North Dakota is brilliant because of a product that's been underneath their soil for millions of years? Is this sorta how George W Bush was an up by your bootstraps success story by virtue of being the first born son of a President?
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Fish made the point "The entire focus of the progressive agenda is upside down and backward. There is no room for people to learn and grow and become self-sufficient." I disagree.
Your state's problems are the more conservative upstate areas...and not govt burdened NYC.
Per Pub Pol Institute, since 2000 the population of New York City increased 9.4 percent, while the rest of the state grew only
2.8 percent.
Nashville? Tennessee's top rated and rated quality of life city is at 87th on the national list. Tennessee is the 10th worst state for women (iVillage study). Nashville was the 6th worst city for young people (Daily Beast).
North Dakota is fine...but as you mentioned, its about oil...not about its belief in efficient govt.
Parts of of North Carolina are doing very well...but if you haven't notice it is a solidly southern state with a very liberal reasearch triangle core. And its the triangle core that's doing well. Hence its a swing state.
I'm not seeing your point.
Fish made the point "The entire focus of the progressive agenda is upside down and backward. There is no room for people to learn and grow and become self-sufficient." I disagree.
Your state's problems are the more conservative upstate areas...and not govt burdened NYC.
Per Pub Pol Institute, since 2000 the population of New York City increased 9.4 percent, while the rest of the state grew only
2.8 percent.
Nashville? Tennessee's top rated and rated quality of life city is at 87th on the national list. Tennessee is the 10th worst state for women (iVillage study). Nashville was the 6th worst city for young people (Daily Beast).
North Dakota is fine...but as you mentioned, its about oil...not about its belief in efficient govt.
Parts of of North Carolina are doing very well...but if you haven't notice it is a solidly southern state with a very liberal reasearch triangle core. And its the triangle core that's doing well. Hence its a swing state.
I'm not seeing your point.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: 2012 Presidential Election - The Day after the Aftermath...
Congratulations on not understanding the state. Property taxes are the highest in the country. Gas taxes are the highest in the country. We spend the most money on welfare. Unions choke job forces. Environmentalists inhibit growth. No wonder people are leaving. Try living in a real part of the state for 26 years before you start praising it.
Also, I do not live in upstate NY. There's more to NYS than just Brooklyn, unlike what Schumer thinks.
Congratulations on not understanding the state. Property taxes are the highest in the country. Gas taxes are the highest in the country. We spend the most money on welfare. Unions choke job forces. Environmentalists inhibit growth. No wonder people are leaving. Try living in a real part of the state for 26 years before you start praising it.
Also, I do not live in upstate NY. There's more to NYS than just Brooklyn, unlike what Schumer thinks.
Re: 2012 Presidential Election - The Day after the Aftermath...
"Some people look at the world as it is, and ask 'why?'
Others look at the way it could be, and ask 'why not?'"
-- Robert F. Kennedy
"Some people suck lemons, others make lemonade."
-- anonymous
I hope no one is saying they want a bloated, top-heavy, dependency-inducing Federal government!
The message from the left seems to be "resign yourself to the inevitable; the situation is hopeless."
The message from the right seems to be "we are very angry at being used all the time."
For now, my message is "Happy Thanksgiving."
"Some people look at the world as it is, and ask 'why?'
Others look at the way it could be, and ask 'why not?'"
-- Robert F. Kennedy
"Some people suck lemons, others make lemonade."
-- anonymous
I hope no one is saying they want a bloated, top-heavy, dependency-inducing Federal government!
The message from the left seems to be "resign yourself to the inevitable; the situation is hopeless."
The message from the right seems to be "we are very angry at being used all the time."
For now, my message is "Happy Thanksgiving."
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Your first post was about how people are leaving the state. That is all. My one and only point regarding the state was that its not NYC that new yorkers are leaving. That is all.
I've already made my point about the volume of the country's liberal success stories.
Your first post was about how people are leaving the state. That is all. My one and only point regarding the state was that its not NYC that new yorkers are leaving. That is all.
I've already made my point about the volume of the country's liberal success stories.
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Haven't seen the words 'I support bloated govt' anywhere. Unlike the misperception, to a point its not about the size of govt...but rather about a govt's effectiveness in using its substanital number of services to support society and business. There are many, many places where larger than average sized govt is used very effectively to advance its communities (which includes business).
Thanks and happy thanksgiving to U!
I hope no one is saying they want a bloated, top-heavy, dependency-inducing Federal government!
The message from the left seems to be "resign yourself to the inevitable; the situation is hopeless."
The message from the right seems to be "we are very angry at being used all the time."
For now, my message is "Happy Thanksgiving."
Haven't seen the words 'I support bloated govt' anywhere. Unlike the misperception, to a point its not about the size of govt...but rather about a govt's effectiveness in using its substanital number of services to support society and business. There are many, many places where larger than average sized govt is used very effectively to advance its communities (which includes business).
Thanks and happy thanksgiving to U!
FlagDUDE08
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Re: 2012 Presidential Election - The Day after the Aftermath...
Yet, you're trying to say that because they're liberal, they do well. Buffalo's liberal too, and they haven't been doing very well since the 70's. Also, with all of the murder reportings, you're trying to tell me that Chicago is well off?
Did you ever think that political leanings are merely coincidence, and that an area does not do well exclusively because of it?
Yet, you're trying to say that because they're liberal, they do well. Buffalo's liberal too, and they haven't been doing very well since the 70's. Also, with all of the murder reportings, you're trying to tell me that Chicago is well off?
Did you ever think that political leanings are merely coincidence, and that an area does not do well exclusively because of it?
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Like anywhere else in this world, outcomes here are not the result of any one factor. You see Buffalo and feel its sucks...I see Minneapolis and feel its great...and both have liberal governments. In the case of Buffalo, you have the rust belt at work. The most liberal place in 'outstate' NYS or Ohio or Indiana is losing bodies and the most conservative place is losing bodies also. There are other factors at work here. In the case of Chicago, the story is different. If you judge a metro strictly on what is an average daily homicide rate of 1.4 deaths a day...then you've got your lense. On the other hand, Chicago has been called the fourth most important business center in the world (MasterCard).
Here is what I would say. There are many, many very dynamic places that are 'saddled' with large govt and are doing quite well. If the simple size of govt was a boat anchor on these places, there wouldn't be such a strong correllation between vibrant/dynamic places and larger govt.
So in the end, I'm not claiming that large govt creates an awesome business community and society...but at minimum, there's no evidence to say that strictly the size of govt hinders society and by and large, it appears that larger effective govt has been used very effectively in many cities. What hinders society is when govt is ineffective. Again, see many places in the south.
Like anywhere else in this world, outcomes here are not the result of any one factor. You see Buffalo and feel its sucks...I see Minneapolis and feel its great...and both have liberal governments. In the case of Buffalo, you have the rust belt at work. The most liberal place in 'outstate' NYS or Ohio or Indiana is losing bodies and the most conservative place is losing bodies also. There are other factors at work here. In the case of Chicago, the story is different. If you judge a metro strictly on what is an average daily homicide rate of 1.4 deaths a day...then you've got your lense. On the other hand, Chicago has been called the fourth most important business center in the world (MasterCard).
Here is what I would say. There are many, many very dynamic places that are 'saddled' with large govt and are doing quite well. If the simple size of govt was a boat anchor on these places, there wouldn't be such a strong correllation between vibrant/dynamic places and larger govt.
So in the end, I'm not claiming that large govt creates an awesome business community and society...but at minimum, there's no evidence to say that strictly the size of govt hinders society and by and large, it appears that larger effective govt has been used very effectively in many cities. What hinders society is when govt is ineffective. Again, see many places in the south.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
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Outstate?! Are you now trying to say that NYS consists of 7 counties?!
Outstate?! Are you now trying to say that NYS consists of 7 counties?!
Terrierbyassociation
Fight Cancer, Wherever You Find It
Re: 2012 Presidential Election - The Day after the Aftermath...
Do you think that the RFK quote is one that says resign yourself to the inevitable? If anything he is saying, why not work to change the world for the better. I think that is the best part of the progressive movement.
"Some people look at the world as it is, and ask 'why?'
Others look at the way it could be, and ask 'why not?'"
-- Robert F. Kennedy
"Some people suck lemons, others make lemonade."
-- anonymous
I hope no one is saying they want a bloated, top-heavy, dependency-inducing Federal government!
The message from the left seems to be "resign yourself to the inevitable; the situation is hopeless."
The message from the right seems to be "we are very angry at being used all the time."
For now, my message is "Happy Thanksgiving."
Do you think that the RFK quote is one that says resign yourself to the inevitable? If anything he is saying, why not work to change the world for the better. I think that is the best part of the progressive movement.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
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Nice try. It's saying, "We're forcing big government on you. Deal with it."
Nice try. It's saying, "We're forcing big government on you. Deal with it."
brookyone
Deport Right Wing Nuts
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FlagDUDE08
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Nice try, but it's what I hear from every libstain, especially the people I blocked while I was still on FB.
Nice try, but it's what I hear from every libstain, especially the people I blocked while I was still on FB.
brookyone
Deport Right Wing Nuts
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FlagDUDE08
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Says someone who has never had to deal with the APA... (Adirondack Park Agency)
Says someone who has never had to deal with the APA... (Adirondack Park Agency)
leswp1
Well-known member
Re: 2012 Presidential Election - The Day after the Aftermath...
"Some people look at the world as it is, and ask 'why?'
Others look at the way it could be, and ask 'why not?'"
-- Robert F. Kennedy
"Some people look at the world as it is, and ask 'why?'
Others look at the way it could be, and ask 'why not?'"
-- Robert F. Kennedy
How odd you manage to interpret that quote the way you do. It just goes to show no matter what anyone says or how they meant what they said everyone will fit it to their own reality.
unofan
Well-known member
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That doesn't sound very bootstrappy.
That doesn't sound very bootstrappy.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
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Because the person I was quoting took the wrong quote. I was replying to TBA, not Fish.
Because the person I was quoting took the wrong quote. I was replying to TBA, not Fish.
unofan
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You know, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I'll readily engage you in dialogue when you show an ability to respond in kind rather than merely parroting wall street journal editorials and saying "isn't it interesting" before launching into some subject with which you've already made up your mind. You do not appear to be interested n actual dialogue, you're interested in converting people.
But since the holidays are upon us, and I'm feeling generous, I'd like to ask you some questions. When you watch It's a Wonderful Life, do you root for Mr. Potter? Is he not the exact type of person you defend regularly on here, someone who sees holes in the market and exploits them to maximize his profits?
And do you think the government bank inspector was the villain of the movie, since he was the one who threatened to put ole' George Bailey in jail? After all, without those government regulations to deal with George Bailey wouldn't have been driven to near suicide, would he?
You know, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I'll readily engage you in dialogue when you show an ability to respond in kind rather than merely parroting wall street journal editorials and saying "isn't it interesting" before launching into some subject with which you've already made up your mind. You do not appear to be interested n actual dialogue, you're interested in converting people.
But since the holidays are upon us, and I'm feeling generous, I'd like to ask you some questions. When you watch It's a Wonderful Life, do you root for Mr. Potter? Is he not the exact type of person you defend regularly on here, someone who sees holes in the market and exploits them to maximize his profits?
And do you think the government bank inspector was the villain of the movie, since he was the one who threatened to put ole' George Bailey in jail? After all, without those government regulations to deal with George Bailey wouldn't have been driven to near suicide, would he?
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FDude-now you have really brought up a touchy subject for us. We have had to deal with the APA ever since we built our home in the Adirondacks in the 1980's. We always thought we had a lot of ttrouble dealing with the town, the county, even the state of NY. But nothing prepared us for the APA. The details of our dealings and struggles with that group are just mind boggling.
FDude-now you have really brought up a touchy subject for us. We have had to deal with the APA ever since we built our home in the Adirondacks in the 1980's. We always thought we had a lot of ttrouble dealing with the town, the county, even the state of NY. But nothing prepared us for the APA. The details of our dealings and struggles with that group are just mind boggling.
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