2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

[Kepler]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

Are you trying to say I'm "special", given I've been accused of being Old Pio lite on here?

I haven't accused you of that.

I don't even know what "Old Pio Lite" means. That's like saying "a little pregnant."

 

[Kepler]

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I don't see how, the act was legal in the state in which it was commited

Then the next thing would be for Utah to make it illegal to transport a fetus out of the state for purposes of aborting it. Now the crime is committed in Utah.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Clearly having a single national standard for eduction has worked so well for this country.

It hasn't. I just find it funny that states rights for abortion has a higher priority than education. Seems backwards.

Then the next thing would be for Utah to make it illegal to transport a fetus out of the state for purposes of aborting it. Now the crime is committed in Utah.

I knew there was a catch. I just wasn't smart enough this morning to think of it.

 

[MinnFan]

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Prior to Roe v. Wade each state had its own laws regarding abortion. We did not see any of these absurd laws that are being thrown around here. The 10th amendment is there for a reason. If the "right" to an abortion is so important to you get 2/3s of the states to join you and properly amend the constitution.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Prior to Roe v. Wade each state had its own laws regarding abortion. We did not see any of these absurd laws that are being thrown around here. The 10th amendment is there for a reason. If the "right" to an abortion is so important to you get 2/3s of the states to join you and properly amend the constitution.

No, I'm all for State's rights. Let Utah pass such a law. Serves people right for living there.

 

[joecct]

Come now, I would not put Foxton in even the top (bottom?) ten of people here who do that.

Don't hurl around accusations of being a Pio. That's a very special honor.

BTW, whichever way it would be decided, abortion is the last thing in the world that should be decided by the states.

Why??

 

[Kepler]

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Why??

Because it's a question of a fundamental right -- either the woman has control over her body or the fetus is a human that can't be murdered. Those are moral absolutes, not something locally-definable like gas taxes.

The federal government protects fundamental rights against state incursions. That's what the Civil War, the Reconstruction Amendments, the Civil Rights Movement and the history of civil rights legislation is all about.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Because it's a question of a fundamental right -- either the woman has control over her body or the fetus is a human that can't be murdered. Those are moral absolutes, not something locally-definable like gas taxes.

That's exactly why the US should treat it like gas taxes. No different then the way we handle gays. It's the American Way.

 

[Kepler]

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That's exactly why the US should treat it like gas taxes. No different then the way we handle gays. It's the American Way.

Circa 1830.

I am all for the red states seceding and making themselves a confederation where South Carolina can win the Nullification Crisis. Via con Dios. But as long as they're in the USA, they can't have their Peculiar Institutions. We fought a war over it (and good God the worst mistake we ever made was not telling them don't let the door hit you on the way out).

 

[Rover]

Prior to Roe v. Wade each state had its own laws regarding abortion. We did not see any of these absurd laws that are being thrown around here. The 10th amendment is there for a reason. If the "right" to an abortion is so important to you get 2/3s of the states to join you and properly amend the constitution.

Yes but that was 40 years ago and for most of the population (at least the non-conservative ones) times have changed since then.

Scooby is 100% right. Utah passes a law saying no abortions and if you cross state lines to get one that's illegal too. No exceptions for rape (again plausible given the Todd Akin's of the world running things in some places). This is why Roe v Wade exists. Simply put, you can't take away the right of that woman to make that choice to not carry her attacker's child just because she happened to get assaulted in an anti-abortion state. Forcing her to do so is Talibanesque.

As usual, conservative ideas sound good sometimes, but have no practical application in the real world.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Was IP doing business in Vermont like it was in the vast majority of the rest of the country? I know nothing of the issue at hand, but I'm willing to bet that VT was going to create a law which would punish companies like IP doing business within its state borders (harvesting trees, running mills, whatever), unless IP was willing to change its practices voluntarily.

The business was entirely in Ticonderoga NY. OK, so it's on the shore of Lake Champlain, but it's still not in Vermont's territory. The Adirondacks have enough lumber to sustain that business, even if we typically get it from the Quebecois.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Prior to Roe v. Wade each state had its own laws regarding abortion. We did not see any of these absurd laws that are being thrown around here. The 10th amendment is there for a reason. If the "right" to an abortion is so important to you get 2/3s of the states to join you and properly amend the constitution.

3/4 of the states.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I haven't accused you of that.

I don't even know what "Old Pio Lite" means. That's like saying "a little pregnant."

Must have been some other robot that graced that rink to the south and slightly west of me.

 

[Kepler]

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Must have been some other robot that graced that rink to the south and slightly west of me.

All we Finger Lakers look alike.

 

[Rover]

3/4 of the states.

Don't get all mathy on him!

 

[geezer]

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yeah:
Justin ‏@****mydadsays
"Anyone who thinks they know what's best for 300 million people is a titanic *******. So we're just voting for king of the *******s."

 

[Rover]

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Always nice to see how close Mittens is in touch with the struggles of the middle class...

Romney Says Nobody Dies for Lack of Health Insurance
Mitt Romney, who has pledged to repeal Obamacare, told the Columbus Dispatch that people without health insurance don't have to worry about dying as a result.

Said Romney: "We don't have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don't have insurance."

However, Reuters reported earlier this year that more than 26,000 working-age adults die prematurely in the United States each year because they lack health insurance.

 

[geezer]

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Always nice to see how close Mittens is in touch with the struggles of the middle class...

Romney Says Nobody Dies for Lack of Health Insurance
Mitt Romney, who has pledged to repeal Obamacare, told the Columbus Dispatch that people without health insurance don't have to worry about dying as a result.

Said Romney: "We don't have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don't have insurance."

However, Reuters reported earlier this year that more than 26,000 working-age adults die prematurely in the United States each year because they lack health insurance.

I'm sorry, but this proof smells horribly. I'd be very interested in knowing the methodology used by "Reuters" in this analysis, and how exactly they determined that "lack of health insurance" was the immediate cause of death in every one of those cases. Also their definition of "prematurely". Is every person that dies before the mean life span dying "prematurely"? Obviously not, or there would be no variance. How is it defined then?
I suspect that what you'd find instead is that lack of insurance was ONE FACTOR in incentivizing people to resist treatment of illnesses, which illness then killed them. Which is a good thing to try to overcome by national health care or other means, but not quite the same as the previous claim where they all died because they didn't buy insurance.
In short, I don't buy it. It's made up facts.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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However, Reuters reported earlier this year that more than 26,000 working-age adults die prematurely in the United States each year because they lack health insurance.

So? Health insurance always will and always has been by ability to pay in the US. The US Constitution does not give you the right to Health Care, control over your own body, or privacy.

We don't even need to block grant the states like Paul Ryan wants. The Feds can just stop being involved in Health Care altogether.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Don't get all mathy on him!

The seven words that turn almost anyone into what could be perceived as a libstain: "I was told there'd be no math..."