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2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vacante

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Kepler said:
Everything else you said is true, but are you sure about this last statement? My understanding is that Bush's wars were off budget in the sense of "not being budgeted for": he simply didn't pay for them, he borrowed. Therefore, they are technically reflected in the budget -- as debt. Has that changed under Obama? I recognize he's using real (well, as real as Washington ever uses) accounting for ObamaCare, but is he actually recording war spending as general expenditure against the real budget, as opposed to Bush's BS, or is he just perpetuating Bush's BS on the wars?
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How did he pay for the bailout? Either one, it doesn't matter which. Also, how do you explain the threats of martial law if it wasn't passed?
 
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Kepler said:
Is your hypothesis falsifiable? In all seriousness, if Obama is re-elected and the numbers improve markedly in his second term, will you accept that your characterization is wrong, or will you explain away the numbers some other way? Because it seems to me that you are ignoring certain obvious improvements:

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(Old graph -- the blue right tail now runs 28 consecutive months of job gains)
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If Obama gets reelected and he knocks the annual deficit way down, I'll be on here giving him a whole lot of credit. I'd put the odds of that happening at maybe 2 percent, but if it happens, I'll give him a boatload of credit.

Whereas, I expect most of his apologists to keep looking the other way if the numbers stay as bad as they are or even get worse.

Your graph is interesting, but we all know the economy is weak and there are a lot of numbers coming out that aren't good, like the latest state unemployment numbers that showed unemployment going up in a lot more states than it was coming down.
 
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Kepler said:
Is your hypothesis falsifiable? In all seriousness, if Obama is re-elected and the numbers improve markedly in his second term, will you accept that your characterization is wrong, or will you explain away the numbers some other way? Because it seems to me that you are ignoring certain obvious improvements:

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(Old graph -- the blue right tail now runs 28 consecutive months of job gains)
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How many of those 2010 jobs were the census?
 
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Yah, $1.2 trillion should buy at least a few jobs, eh?
 
Bob Gray said:
Funny, Bush's deficits were never near every year has been under Obama. I wonder when Obama get reelected and he's in his 8th year office, if he (and his supporters) will start taking responsibility for their fiscal irresponsibility. I criticized Bush for his $400-$500 billion deficits. I'll criticize Obama even more for his $1.2 trillion plus deficits. The charade you Obama supporters are putting on is just so hollow. He talks out of both sides of his mouth time and again. He proposes and pushes through more and more spending, then gives a perfunctory remark about reigning in the deficit, never does a thing about it, and you all buy it hook, line, and sinker.

Obama is like a manager that takes over in July at 10 GB, ends up 40 GB at the end of the season, and claims things got better. And some people actually buy it, even though the numbers starkly go the opposite direction. But, such is why we're heading for fiscal disaster at an ever faster clip.
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Bob for the billionth and last time, Bush doesn't get to pawn off his deficits on Obama. $2T in gimmicky tax cuts, and economy that cratered at the end of his term, and unfunded prescription drug benefit $.5T and the Iraq war $1T that Obama had to pay for. This is the cause of your deficit, and as Bill Clinton put it: Republicans say we left you a mess but because you haven't had time to clean it up we want to be back in power again. No. Thanks.

But Bob, if you feel you can have a bigger impact than Clinton on the national stage, by all means don't waste your time here. I'm sure Romney would love to have you host a few rallies.
 
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Rover said:
Bob for the billionth and last time, Bush doesn't get to pawn off his deficits on Obama. $2T in gimmicky tax cuts, and economy that cratered at the end of his term, and unfunded prescription drug benefit $.5T and the Iraq war $1T that Obama had to pay for. This is the cause of your deficit, and as Bill Clinton put it: Republicans say we left you a mess but because you haven't had time to clean it up we want to be back in power again. No. Thanks.

But Bob, if you feel you can have a bigger impact than Clinton on the national stage, by all means don't waste your time here. I'm sure Romney would love to have you host a few rallies.
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There you and your imagination go again. Don't think I've ever seen a President and his supporters blame everything difficult and bad that's gone on in their four years on the previous President, until now.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Never watched South Park, so I have no idea what you are referring to.
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Canada went on strike, lost billions in GDP, and got a deal out of it worth a couple thousand bucks. They set the strike leaders adrift, and then started to argue:
"I'm not your buddy, guy!"
"I'm not your guy, friend!"
"I'm not your friend, buddy!"
And so on.
 
Bob Gray said:
There you and your imagination go again. Don't think I've ever seen a President and his supporters blame everything difficult and bad that's gone on in their four years on the previous President, until now.
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Umm...maybe because Bush was the worst President in history and left a pretty big mess....
 
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Rover said:
Umm...maybe because Bush was the worst President in history and left a pretty big mess....
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Buchanan was probably worse than Dubya.
 
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Bob Gray said:
There. I try to give you some credit and you blow it. You are delusional if you think Obama has engaged in serious and good faith efforts to pay for all his spending. Not much more to say. Even most Dems don't make that sort of ridiculous claim, as Obama's deficit climbs past $1.2 trillion annually.
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Yeah but you think Paul Ryan is the answer to this issue even though he spread his legs faster for Bush than a $2 whore. Fiscal responsibility no longer exists no matter how much you close your eyes, plug your nose and pray your idol means what he says.
 
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Speaking of Paul Ryan, looks like he and Scott Walker love unions now.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
How did he pay for the bailout? Either one, it doesn't matter which. Also, how do you explain the threats of martial law if it wasn't passed?
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How did Dubya? Remember you voted for him because he had an MBA how exactly did he and his Cronies pay for their bailouts? Remember it wasnt Obama that nationalized Fannie and Freddie or bailed out the banks it was your boy who learned economics at Yale and got that all important MBA. :D
 
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Handyman said:
How did Dubya? Remember you voted for him because he had an MBA how exactly did he and his Cronies pay for their bailouts? Remember it wasnt Obama that nationalized Fannie and Freddie or bailed out the banks it was your boy who learned economics at Yale and got that all important MBA. :D
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MBA's are worthless.
 
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Kepler said:
Speaking of Paul Ryan, looks like he and Scott Walker love unions now.
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You dont keep your job in Sconnie by ticking Packah Fans...they got jobbed and are ticked he best back their play until election day ;)
 
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