2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

[French Rage]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

The tradition of the Rose Bowl is fading because that's not the ultimate goal for the "Kings" of the PAC-12 and Big Ten anymore. Simple as that. Sure, if you're usually a 6 to 8 win team in your conference, going 10-2 and making the Rose Bowl is still the dream. Ohio State, USC, Oregon, Wisconsin this year, etc. aren't going into the season aimed at that, though. They want 12-1, 13-0 and to go elsewhere. Once they lose, they refocus, but deep down you know Wisconsin is upset that they didn't defend the deep ball in the final minute for two weeks and cost themselves a trip to New Orleans.

That faint scent of disappointment when the elite teams of the two conferences are in Pasadena now is present and will linger on as long as we're in this system.

As somewhat who's only been a Pac12 fan for 8 years now, while I understand the Rose Bowl is cool to be honest with the BCS it doesn't specifically stand out from the other BCS bowls. I understand its history and all, but for me I'm for where the best matchup is (and this year, it's decidedly not the Rose Bowl) than the bowl that was our conference's traditional one.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

There's a Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl?

 

[MountieBoyOz]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

When I think of the East, I think of San Diego, California.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...-to-add-five-schools-for-2013-season/related/

 

[French Rage]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Random thoughts:

- Even with the old setup a bunch of the bowls would be the same. LSU would go to the Sugar as SEC champ, and the Sugar would want as best a matchup so it would also choose Alabama; Alabama would likely accept since #2 beating #1 is a lock for the NC. Orange would take Ok St as Big 8/12 champ, and it would also want as good a matchup so as to give Ok St a shot at the NC, so they would take Stanford. So those two would be unchanged.

- Could UCLA be the only school to ever finish 6-8 if they lose? I can't see how a team would otherwise get that record.

 

[WeWantMore]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Random thoughts:

- Even with the old setup a bunch of the bowls would be the same. LSU would go to the Sugar as SEC champ, and the Sugar would want as best a matchup so it would also choose Alabama; Alabama would likely accept since #2 beating #1 is a lock for the NC. Orange would take Ok St as Big 8/12 champ, and it would also want as good a matchup so as to give Ok St a shot at the NC, so they would take Stanford. So those two would be unchanged.

I don't know the bowl tie-ins off the top of my head, but are you sure that's right? For instance, in this SB Nation article about different varieties of playoff system, it indicates that under the old model the matchups would have been:

Sugar Bowl: No. 1 LSU vs No. 11 Kansas State
Rose Bowl: No. 6 Oregon vs No. 9 Wisconsin
Fiesta Bowl: No. 3 Oklahoma State vs No. 4 Stanford
Orange Bowl: No. 2 Alabama vs No. 13 Michigan

 

[Alton]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

I don't know the bowl tie-ins off the top of my head, but are you sure that's right? For instance, in this SB Nation article about different varieties of playoff system, it indicates that under the old model the matchups would have been:

Sugar Bowl: No. 1 LSU vs No. 11 Kansas State
Rose Bowl: No. 6 Oregon vs No. 9 Wisconsin
Fiesta Bowl: No. 3 Oklahoma State vs No. 4 Stanford
Orange Bowl: No. 2 Alabama vs No. 13 Michigan

There's not really a single correct answer to that one, I guess. I know the Big Eight champion automatically went to the Orange Bowl from 1976 to 1996. If we went back to the old system, though, I would think that the conference that calls itself the Big XII would probably want to continue its current tie-in with the Fiesta Bowl. The Orange Bowl would certainly not want to be left without a conference champion, so it would probably lock in the ACC Champion as an automatic qualifier.

So you would have something like this--

Sugar: #1 LSU v #8 Kansas State [LSU would not agree to the re-match with Alabama]
Rose: #5 Oregon v #10 Wisconsin
Fiesta: #3 Oklahoma State v #4 Stanford
Orange: #15 Clemson v #2 Alabama

So that SB Nation article comes pretty close--the only spot where we disagree is that I think the Orange Bowl would insist on having a conference champion locked up before the season starts, rather than take the chance of having to get 2 at large teams.

 

[French Rage]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

I was going with the Big 8/12 - Orange tie-in since that what it was in those days. Do we know for sure LSU would not agree to a rematch? There was some year in the 80s when the Orange Bowl had a rematch of conference foes.

 

[Alton]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

I was going with the Big 8/12 - Orange tie-in since that what it was in those days.

Okay, but the Fiesta Bowl was not a major at the time, and the Cotton Bowl (with the SWC Champion) was a major. I was going with the current major bowls with their current tie-ins, which is certainly what would happen if the BCS disappeared into thin air.

Do we know for sure LSU would not agree to a rematch? There was some year in the 80s when the Orange Bowl had a rematch of conference foes.

It was the 1979 Orange Bowl that you are thinking of--Big 8 champion Nebraska (9-2) against runner up Oklahoma (10-1). Nebraska was all set to play Penn State in the Orange Bowl, but then they lost to Missouri the last week of the season and Penn State chose to play #1 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl and the Orange Bowl was pretty much stuck with Oklahoma. I think that's a little different situation. I don't think a #1 team would ever have agreed back then to a rematch with a team that it had already defeated.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

I just got a notification on my phone: Boise, SDSU, Houston, SMU, and UCF are joining the Big East in 2013. Wasn't this announced a couple days ago?

 

[alfablue]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

I just got a notification on my phone: Boise, SDSU, Houston, SMU, and UCF are joining the Big East in 2013. Wasn't this announced a couple days ago?

I think it's "officially" supposed to happen today.

Although, the name should change. Boise and SanDiego in the East? Next think you know, Hawaii will join the Atlantic Coast Conference....

 

[MountieBoyOz]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

I think it's "officially" supposed to happen today.

Although, the name should change. Boise and SanDiego in the East? Next think you know, Hawaii will join the Atlantic Coast Conference....

Shh! Don't give the ACC that idea.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

I think it's "officially" supposed to happen today.

Although, the name should change. Boise and SanDiego in the East? Next think you know, Hawaii will join the Atlantic Coast Conference....

Like I said on GPL:

The Big Ten has 12 teams. The Big XII has ten teams. The Big East is located in four time zones.

 

[alfablue]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Like I said on GPL:

The Big Ten has 12 teams. The Big XII has ten teams. The Big East is located in four time zones.

Yea, 4 time zones- call it the Big America conference. That would work.

Or the "sort of large, all big teams welcome to help us get a BSC bid" conference. The "we used to be known for Baskeball, but let in these others for money" conference.

 

[French Rage]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Yea, 4 time zones- call it the Big America conference. That would work.

Or the "sort of large, all big teams welcome to help us get a BSC bid" conference. The "we used to be known for Baskeball, but let in these others for money" conference.

"Big BCS or Bust" Conference, or The BBB!

Edit: Or just "BCS or Bust", or The BoB!

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

"Big BCS or Bust" Conference, or The BBB!

Edit: Or just "BCS or Bust", or The BoB!

They're all about money, so why don't they just get a sponsor to pay them to name the conference after the sponsor? Maybe like the Poulon Weedeater Conference? It's the next logical step in selling everything out for the dollar.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Yea, 4 time zones- call it the Big America conference. That would work.

Or the "sort of large, all big teams welcome to help us get a BSC bid" conference. The "we used to be known for Baskeball, but let in these others for money" conference.

Conference USA?

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

I submit the following evidence that the Big East and Conference USA should swap names:

Conference USA:

Big East:

 

[alfablue]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Conference USA?

USA is too small. America is better- to include Canada and Mexico to display the largeness of the conference is a good thing. If people recognize that America represents the entire western hemisphere continents, all the better.

So if they want to add a team from Argentina, it would still fit.

 

[pgb-ohio]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

They're all about money, so why don't they just get a sponsor to pay them to name the conference after the sponsor? Maybe like the Poulon Weedeater Conference? It's the next logical step in selling everything out for the dollar.

The foundation's already been laid. When the Big Ten sells its division names to corporate sponsors, it will actually be an upgrade. Sorry, still can't bring myself to actually type out the two 'L' words, but you know what I mean...

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

What about College Football America?