2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

[MavHockey14]

12/17/11
Gildan New Mexico
Temple vs. Wyoming Albuquerque, N.M. 2 p.m. ESPN

Famous Idaho Potato Bowl
Ohio vs. Utah State Boise, Idaho 5:30 p.m. ESPN

R+L Carriers New Orleans
San Diego State vs. Louisiana-Lafayette New Orleans 9 p.m. ESPN

12/20/11
Beef 'O' Brady's St. Petersburg
Florida International vs. Marshall St. Petersburg, Fla. 8 p.m. ESPN

12/21/11
S.D. County Credit Union Poinsettia
TCU vs. Louisiana Tech San Diego 8 p.m. ESPN

12/22/11
MAACO Las Vegas
Arizona State vs. Boise State Las Vegas 8 p.m. ESPN

12/24/11
Sheraton Hawaii
Nevada vs. Southern Miss Honolulu 8 p.m. ESPN

12/26/11
AdvoCare V100 Independence
Missouri vs. North Carolina Shreveport, La. 5 p.m. ESPN2

12/27/11
Little Caesars
Western Michigan vs. Purdue Detroit 4:30 p.m. ESPN

Belk
Louisville vs. NC State Charlotte, N.C. 8 p.m. ESPN

12/28/11
Military Bowl Presented By Northrop Grumman
Toledo vs. Air Force Washington, D.C. 4:30 p.m. ESPN

Bridgepoint Education Holiday
California vs. Texas San Diego 8 p.m. ESPN

12/29/11
Champs Sports
Florida State vs. Notre Dame Orlando, Fla. 5:30 p.m. ESPN

Valero Alamo
Washington vs. Baylor San Antonio 9 p.m. ESPN

12/30/11
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces
BYU vs. Tulsa Dallas Gerald J. Ford Stadium Noon ESPN

New Era Pinstripe
Rutgers vs. Iowa State Bronx, N.Y. 3:20 p.m. ESPN

Franklin American Mortgage Music City
Mississippi State vs. Wake Forest Nashville, Tenn. 6:40 p.m. ESPN

Insight
Iowa vs. Oklahoma Tempe, Ariz. 10 p.m. ESPN

12/31/11
Meineke Car Care of Texas
Texas A&M vs. Northwestern Houston Noon ESPN

Hyundai Sun
Georgia Tech vs. Utah El Paso, Texas 2 p.m. CBS

AutoZone Liberty
Cincinnati vs. Vanderbilt Memphis, Tenn. 3:30 p.m. ABC

Kraft Fight Hunger
Illinois vs. UCLA San Francisco 3:30 p.m. ESPN

Chick-fil-A
Virginia vs. Auburn Atlanta 7:30 p.m. ESPN

1/2/12
TicketCity
Houston vs. Penn State Dallas Noon ESPNU

Outback
Michigan State vs. Georgia Tampa, Fla. 1 p.m. ABC

Capital One
Nebraska vs. South Carolina Orlando, Fla. 1 p.m. ESPN

Taxslayer.com Gator Bowl
Ohio State vs. Florida Jacksonville, Fla. 1 p.m. ESPN2

Rose Bowl Game presented by Vizio
Wisconsin vs. Oregon Pasadena, Calif. 5 p.m. ESPN

Tostitos Fiesta
Stanford vs. Oklahoma State Glendale, Ariz. 8:30 p.m. ESPN

1/3/12
Allstate Sugar
Michigan vs. Virginia Tech New Orleans 8:30 p.m. ESPN

1/4/12
Discover Orange
West Virginia vs. Clemson Miami 8:30 p.m. ESPN

1/6/12
AT&T Cotton
Kansas State vs. Arkansas Arlington, Texas 8 p.m. FOX

1/7/12
BBVA Compass Bowl
SMU vs. Pittsburgh Birmingham, Ala. 1 p.m. ESPN

1/8/12
GoDaddy.com
Arkansas State vs. Northern Illinois Mobile, Ala. 9 p.m. ESPN

1/9/12
Allstate BCS National Championship Game
No. 1 LSU vs. No. 2 Alabama New Orleans 8:30 p.m. ESPN

 

[MavHockey14]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

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[dxmnkd316]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Subscribed because the Rose Bowl > * Bowl.

 

[MavHockey14]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Subscribed because the Rose Bowl > * Bowl.

* Bowl? That's a new one.

 

[French Rage]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Looks like RGIII will likely win the Heisman over Luck. That goes to show that individual stats matter more than team record, like in 2009 when Toby Gerhart beat out Mark Igram...

 

[bronconick]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Looks like RGIII will likely win the Heisman over Luck. That goes to show that individual stats matter more than team record, like in 2009 when Toby Gerhart beat out Mark Igram...

Luck was doomed by expectations (and crappy weapons). After all the knob slobbering by ESPN and every NFL analyst on earth, he looked like a good to great college QB every time I saw him, as opposed to being the Buddha of quarterbacks.

 

[MavHockey14]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Looks like RGIII will likely win the Heisman over Luck. That goes to show that individual stats matter more than team record, like in 2009 when Toby Gerhart beat out Mark Igram...

which is how it should be, that kid's unreal.

 

[WeWantMore]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

which is how it should be, that kid's unreal.

So was his backup when he went down.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

If Trent Richardson wins I quit. There are three far better picks I can think of that deserve it far more. If you're going to go with a RB, you MUST go with Montee Ball. And that's coming from a Gopher fan. One who clenches his teeth every time Ball scores. Luck and RGIII deserve it more than Richardson.

I still think Case Keenum, despite his playing in a mediocre conference, put up numbers most people have trouble hitting in a video game. He deserves more recognition than he received. Not saying he should have won it, but his numbers are simply insane.

 

[bronconick]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Wisconsin fans need to get off Ball's nuts about him "breaking" Barry's single season TD record, though. Barry did 39 in 11 games, as they didn't even count bowl results then. Add that in and it's 44 in 12 games.

 

[WeWantMore]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Wisconsin fans need to get off Ball's nuts about him "breaking" Barry's single season TD record, though. Barry did 39 in 11 games, as they didn't even count bowl results then. Add that in and it's 44 in 12 games.

I said something similar in the last thread. At the same time though, Sanders scored once every 10.1 touches. Ball has scored once every 7.8.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Suprised to see so many bowl games on ESPN...even the biggies.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Suprised to see so many bowl games on ESPN...even the biggies.

Honestly, I think this is a good thing. ESPN is orders of magnitude better than Fox, in every aspect. CBS simply doesn't have good announcers and their HD is inferior to that of Fox and ESPN/ABC. I've never understood how a company like CBS can consistently (across all sports and TV shows) have such poor HD quality.

 

[bronconick]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

I said something similar in the last thread. At the same time though, Sanders scored once every 10.1 touches. Ball has scored once every 7.8.

He had to run 1,000 more yards to get to the end zone. Tired him out. Also prepared him for his pro career of being threeve% of the offense.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

I said something similar in the last thread. At the same time though, Sanders scored once every 10.1 touches. Ball has scored once every 7.8.

John Kuhn has a TD per every 4 touches. MVP! MVP! MVP!

Ball is good, but it's going to take him three more games than Barry had to break it. I don't see why they don't go back and retroactively add in bowl stats.

 

[Bronco]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

@mavhockey14. I follow UM and Msu in the B1G (grew up a weasel fan). When I was a kid the Rose Bowl was the greatest game on earth. Then the BCS f'ed it all up. If the choice is between watching the Rose Bowl or watching a local team play a game that wins a championship then give me theu playoff.
Playoff systems help every conference that isn't named the SEC. Players will realize they can legitimately play anywhere and win.

 

[pgb-ohio]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Bringing this quote forward from the previous thread. Hope no one thinks that's inappropriate, but I really want to reply to J.D. The old thread closed before I could reply.

What are you talking about? Like Alabama, all the teams people would like to see in the title game have one loss too. It's double elimination for every candidate.

I tried to choose my words carefully in the first post, but apparently not carefully enough. I'll be glad to clarify.

First of all, I limited my comments to the specific situation of 2011: LSU is a clear cut, undefeated #1. No one else is undefeated; so we're looking for tiebreakers for the #2 playoff slot. Alabama, and for that matter Arkansas and Georgia, have had their shot at LSU. I see no reason to give any of those teams a second try when there are other reasonable options available. Oklahoma State, among others, haven't had their shot. For me, avoiding rematches would either be the most important tiebreaker, or close to it. I'm not necessarily arguing that the current system should have given us OK State. I am arguing that the fact the BCS gave us a rematch is one more reason to conclude that it's hopelessly flawed.

As for the double elimination reference, I thought it would help explain my objection to rematches in the BCS title game. Didn't work for you; so be it.

It's really simple for me. Just compare all the one loss teams' losses and it's a no-brainer who's loss is the "best."

It's really simple for me too. If we're stuck with a one game playoff, no rematches.

Your argument is that "best loss" is the most important tiebreaker. You're not alone in that viewpoint. For better or worse, I strongly disagree. I wouldn't go so far as to say that best loss was totally irrelevant. But if I were making the rules, best loss would be pretty low on my list of tiebreakers.

Specifically in regard to Oklahoma State...they failed to beat a mediocre Iowa State team and people want to reward them?

Besides LSU, everyone has at least one flaw on their resume. The unjust enrichment argument can be made against any of the potential candidates, including Alabama. IMHO, this adds nothing to your case. Nor does it add anything to my case. No matter who got the second 2011 playoff berth, that team would be catching a break.

Sorry, but if a LSU was on the schedule, OK State would have lost to them just like Alabama did. And it wouldn't have gone to OT.

What Almington said.

Beyond that, I'd certainly allow that LSU that would be the favorite in a game with OK State. But why not play the game and see if the underdog can find a way to win?

 

[Almington]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

@mavhockey14. I follow UM and Msu in the B1G (grew up a weasel fan). When I was a kid the Rose Bowl was the greatest game on earth. Then the BCS f'ed it all up. If the choice is between watching the Rose Bowl or watching a local team play a game that wins a championship then give me theu playoff.
Playoff systems help every conference that isn't named the SEC. Players will realize they can legitimately play anywhere and win.

I don't think that anyone disagrees that the BCS has diminished the traditional value of the Rose bowl for the B10 and Pac-12 schools. The Rose Bowl BCS era will always exist in much the same way baseball will always have the steroid era, but it is absolutely possible to alter the BCS system to a top-4 plus one model and protect the tradition of the Rose Bowl going forward. It may never be what it was in the past, but it doesn't have to be what it is now going forward.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

I don't think that anyone disagrees that the BCS has diminished the traditional value of the Rose bowl for the B10 and Pac-12 schools. The Rose Bowl BCS era will always exist in much the same way baseball will always have the steroid era, but it is absolutely possible to alter the BCS system to a top-4 plus one model and protect the tradition of the Rose Bowl going forward. It may never be what it was in the past, but it doesn't have to be what it is now going forward.

Things could be done to shore up the fading tradition of the Rose Bowl, but the knuckleheads who make decisions for college football are highly unlikely to take such steps. I used to say that I'd be happy if we either dialed back to the bowls with their traditional tie-ins or alternatively went to a clear playoff system. I've accepted the former will never happen, so I advocate for the latter. Every time a non Big Ten/Pac 12 team goes to the Rose Bowl, it's another nail in the coffin of the Rose Bowl's traditions.

 

[bronconick]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

The tradition of the Rose Bowl is fading because that's not the ultimate goal for the "Kings" of the PAC-12 and Big Ten anymore. Simple as that. Sure, if you're usually a 6 to 8 win team in your conference, going 10-2 and making the Rose Bowl is still the dream. Ohio State, USC, Oregon, Wisconsin this year, etc. aren't going into the season aimed at that, though. They want 12-1, 13-0 and to go elsewhere. Once they lose, they refocus, but deep down you know Wisconsin is upset that they didn't defend the deep ball in the final minute for two weeks and cost themselves a trip to New Orleans.

That faint scent of disappointment when the elite teams of the two conferences are in Pasadena now is present and will linger on as long as we're in this system.