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2009-2010 DIII Rutter Computer Rankings Thread
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Re: 2009-2010 DIII Rutter Computer Rankings Thread
It is based on your win percentage, and your opponent's win percentage, and your opponent's opponent's win percentage I believe.
It is based on your win percentage, and your opponent's win percentage, and your opponent's opponent's win percentage I believe.
gojackets
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Re: 2009-2010 DIII Rutter Computer Rankings Thread
So since they beat up on eachother, they don't get ranked higher?
So since they beat up on eachother, they don't get ranked higher?
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In D3, when there are so few games between east and west teams, all it takes is a couple of results in east's favour in order for those teams to be ranked higher. This explains why Lake Forest has a high RPI but is ranked 11th in my system, which links all games together in way different form RPI (check the web site for more info). They have a very good win percentage, but when the went east to play two "average" east teams, they split.
I am not that familiar with the D3 schedule, so I can't pick out the key east/west games, but it if there are other games played by the top west teams vs. the east, they would show the regions compare against each other.
In D3, when there are so few games between east and west teams, all it takes is a couple of results in east's favour in order for those teams to be ranked higher. This explains why Lake Forest has a high RPI but is ranked 11th in my system, which links all games together in way different form RPI (check the web site for more info). They have a very good win percentage, but when the went east to play two "average" east teams, they split.
I am not that familiar with the D3 schedule, so I can't pick out the key east/west games, but it if there are other games played by the top west teams vs. the east, they would show the regions compare against each other.
Re: 2009-2010 DIII Rutter Computer Rankings Thread
For games played through January 24, 2010.
For games played through January 24, 2010.
Code:
Team Rating RPI.Rank RPI
1 Plattsburgh 2.4547 1 0.6810
2 Amherst 2.0923 2 0.6504
3 Elmira 2.0041 3 0.6368
4 Trinity 1.7540 4 0.6291
5 RIT 1.6631 5 0.6056
6 Middlebury 1.5381 6 0.5917
7 Holy Cross 1.1645 10 0.5764
8 Manhattanville 1.0800 12 0.5750
9 Gustavus Adol. 1.0612 9 0.5783
10 Wis-River Falls 1.0278 8 0.5814
11 Lake Forest 1.0018 7 0.5916Phil D. Stands
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Re: 2009-2010 DIII Rutter Computer Rankings Thread
This is a surprisingly sensible ranking -- I guess you just need the right stats and a Cray computer to run it. -- Thanks
This is a surprisingly sensible ranking -- I guess you just need the right stats and a Cray computer to run it. -- Thanks
Re: 2009-2010 DIII Rutter Computer Rankings Thread
For games played through January 31, 2010
For games played through January 31, 2010
Code:
Team Rating RPI.Rank RPI
1 Plattsburgh 2.4602 1 0.6762
2 Elmira 2.0524 2 0.6409
3 Amherst 1.7857 3 0.6284
4 RIT 1.7072 4 0.6140
5 Middlebury 1.6943 5 0.6080
6 Trinity 1.4052 6 0.6023
7 Holy Cross 1.1826 10 0.5788
8 Manhattanville 1.1305 11 0.5729
9 Lake Forest 1.0599 7 0.5943
10 Wis-River Falls 1.0271 8 0.5875Re: 2009-2010 DIII Rutter Computer Rankings Thread
Gojackets,
You are correct, that is not a simple thing to do. If I get a chance, I will run the numbers without the D-II teams. Not sure when I will get to it.
Gojackets,
You are correct, that is not a simple thing to do. If I get a chance, I will run the numbers without the D-II teams. Not sure when I will get to it.
Re: 2009-2010 DIII Rutter Computer Rankings Thread
LakersFan - Thanks for all of your efforts. Do not kill yourself on this. If you have included HC over the last couple of years, then keep them in to be consistent. They play primarily DIII teams, so I am not sure why anyone needs them thrown out. Do we next throw out teams under .500? What about teams that have a bus ride of more than 5 hours, as we have heard about teams that were flat after long travel (Amherst last year and Lake Forest this year). Just keep your poll the way it is, I think everyone appreciates your efforts.
LakersFan - Thanks for all of your efforts. Do not kill yourself on this. If you have included HC over the last couple of years, then keep them in to be consistent. They play primarily DIII teams, so I am not sure why anyone needs them thrown out. Do we next throw out teams under .500? What about teams that have a bus ride of more than 5 hours, as we have heard about teams that were flat after long travel (Amherst last year and Lake Forest this year). Just keep your poll the way it is, I think everyone appreciates your efforts.
gojackets
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Re: 2009-2010 DIII Rutter Computer Rankings Thread
I didn't mean to ask her to do that. I figured if it was something she could just delete them nad recalculate. Don't do all that just for me.
I didn't mean to ask her to do that. I figured if it was something she could just delete them nad recalculate. Don't do all that just for me.
Re: 2009-2010 DIII Rutter Computer Rankings Thread
For games played through Feb 7, 2010
For games played through Feb 7, 2010
Code:
Team Rating RPI.Rank RPI
1 Plattsburgh 2.4369 1 0.6654
2 Elmira 2.0626 2 0.6395
3 Amherst 1.8273 3 0.6327
4 RIT 1.7121 4 0.6095
5 Middlebury 1.4935 7 0.5943
6 Trinity 1.3872 5 0.6015
7 Manhattanville 1.2189 10 0.5824
8 Holy Cross 1.1740 11 0.5766
9 Gustavus Adol. 1.0942 9 0.5852
10 Wis-River Falls 1.0901 6 0.5944gojackets
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Re: 2009-2010 DIII Rutter Computer Rankings Thread
Whats keeping Middlebury so high in your rankings?? Other than Trinity and Holy Cross(shouldn't count) the next highest ranked team they have beaten is currently 19th in your rankings, and they lost to the 21st ranked team? Does your system give them a lot of credit to playing high ranked teams even though they lose to them?
I'm just trying to figure it out....not criticizing
Whats keeping Middlebury so high in your rankings?? Other than Trinity and Holy Cross(shouldn't count) the next highest ranked team they have beaten is currently 19th in your rankings, and they lost to the 21st ranked team? Does your system give them a lot of credit to playing high ranked teams even though they lose to them?
I'm just trying to figure it out....not criticizing
rinky dink
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Re: 2009-2010 DIII Rutter Computer Rankings Thread
I have watched for a couple of years, and decided to recently start to weigh in. You seem to have had a "Yellow Jacket" fly up your backside when it comes to Middlebury. Did some of these players do something to you, your family pet or someone you know, or do you just dislike Middlebury for personal reasons? It is abundantly apparent that you are more concerned with knocking them down than anything else. Really the only poll that counts is at the end of the season.
Let's face it, it would seem that the only way Middlebury will reach the NCAA's this year is by winning the NESCAC. I hope for your sake they don't, I think you may have a cardiac arrest with that one......BUT I'm just trying to figure it out.....not criticizing....
I have watched for a couple of years, and decided to recently start to weigh in. You seem to have had a "Yellow Jacket" fly up your backside when it comes to Middlebury. Did some of these players do something to you, your family pet or someone you know, or do you just dislike Middlebury for personal reasons? It is abundantly apparent that you are more concerned with knocking them down than anything else. Really the only poll that counts is at the end of the season.
Let's face it, it would seem that the only way Middlebury will reach the NCAA's this year is by winning the NESCAC. I hope for your sake they don't, I think you may have a cardiac arrest with that one......BUT I'm just trying to figure it out.....not criticizing....
Re: 2009-2010 DIII Rutter Computer Rankings Thread
I couldn't agree more! I've been wondering the same thing....
I couldn't agree more! I've been wondering the same thing....
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it goes like this. If Middlebury and RIT each had a 25 game season and played 15 of those games against Plattsburg, Amherst and Elmira and lost them all, but, won 10 games against lower level teams that were unranked, they would still be in the top ten because they did not lose any games to unranked teams and their ONLY losses were to the top three teams in the country. Eastern Rules still apply. When an Eastern team does lose to an unranked eastern team it is considered a fluke and suffer very little in the polls. If a western team loses to an unranked eastern team they are basically banished from they polls unless they win out. Then they might be considered a mid level top 10 team Maybe. 
it goes like this. If Middlebury and RIT each had a 25 game season and played 15 of those games against Plattsburg, Amherst and Elmira and lost them all, but, won 10 games against lower level teams that were unranked, they would still be in the top ten because they did not lose any games to unranked teams and their ONLY losses were to the top three teams in the country. Eastern Rules still apply. When an Eastern team does lose to an unranked eastern team it is considered a fluke and suffer very little in the polls. If a western team loses to an unranked eastern team they are basically banished from they polls unless they win out. Then they might be considered a mid level top 10 team Maybe.
gojackets
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Re: 2009-2010 DIII Rutter Computer Rankings Thread
If you've been watching for a couple of years, which I seriously doubt, this is the first year I have criticized Middlebury(not that I"m criticizing the team, but the people who rank them). I understand that in the USCHO poll that they are ranked as high as they are due to name recognition...I don't get why in a computer ranking they would be this high.
Can you give me one good reason why a team that has not beaten a ranked team, except trinity--who's only good win is against Middlebury--deserves to be in the top 10.
Let's say Conn College played the exact same schedule as Middlebury and had the same results....would you rank Conn College in the top 10?
Look at St Kates in the west. St Kate has a better record then gustavus, split with Gustavus...Gustavus is ranked in the top 10...St Kate has 1 vote.
And for completely worthless generic statement of the year....
is that really the best you got???
If you've been watching for a couple of years, which I seriously doubt, this is the first year I have criticized Middlebury(not that I"m criticizing the team, but the people who rank them). I understand that in the USCHO poll that they are ranked as high as they are due to name recognition...I don't get why in a computer ranking they would be this high.
Can you give me one good reason why a team that has not beaten a ranked team, except trinity--who's only good win is against Middlebury--deserves to be in the top 10.
Let's say Conn College played the exact same schedule as Middlebury and had the same results....would you rank Conn College in the top 10?
Look at St Kates in the west. St Kate has a better record then gustavus, split with Gustavus...Gustavus is ranked in the top 10...St Kate has 1 vote.
And for completely worthless generic statement of the year....
is that really the best you got???
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