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1931 West Virginia 8th grade graduation exam

Re: 1931 West Virginia 8th grade graduation exam

joecct said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/education/v/tests.pdf

You had to pass this test to go to high school. Think this batch of 8th graders could pass this? Could you?
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Ha, I don't think I could pass it without studying.

I noticed one question because it came up on a debate at a city council meeting few years ago and they (mostly lawyers) spent 20min+ over amending a bill. replacing "shall" with "will" .... at the end they decided to leave it as is. company (shall will) do xxx <conditions> supposedly (will) forced company to do xxx while (shall) allowed options for the company.

So what is the correct usage: I (guess think) I (shall will) go.
 
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Tundra said:
Ha, I don't think I could pass it without studying.

I noticed one question because it came up on a debate at a city council meeting few years ago and they (mostly lawyers) spent 20min+ over amending a bill. replacing "shall" with "will" .... at the end they decided to leave it as is. company (shall will) do xxx <conditions> supposedly (will) forced company to do xxx while (shall) allowed options for the company.

So what is the correct usage: I (guess think) I (shall will) go.
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I've always been told "shall" is the generally accepted usage to duty-bind someone to do something in a contract. "Will" is more used just to indicate something that is going to happen, but isn't duty-bound to any of the contractors. "This contract will terminate X days from now."

"May" is used to denote something being an allowable option. "Should" means you recommend it, but it's not required (most likely due to whatever it is being unable to be quantified.)
 
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Beer Pong Horn said:
Hell, I'm not even from the east coast, and I think the WORLD ends on the New Jersey Turnpike. :D
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We native New Jerseyites LOVE the Turnpike!! Over 100 miles of road with no speed limit!!

Just keep to the right and use your signal when changing lanes.
 
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joecct said:
We native New Jerseyites LOVE the Turnpike!! Over 100 miles of road with no speed limit!!

Just keep to the right and use your signal when changing lanes.
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The Turnpike does allow one to get through NJ a lot faster. :p
 
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Twitch Boy said:
I've always been told "shall" is the generally accepted usage to duty-bind someone to do something in a contract. "Will" is more used just to indicate something that is going to happen, but isn't duty-bound to any of the contractors. "This contract will terminate X days from now."

"May" is used to denote something being an allowable option. "Should" means you recommend it, but it's not required (most likely due to whatever it is being unable to be quantified.)
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This is certainly the case in the aerospace industry. "Shall" indicates a contractually binding requirement which must be verified and documented (e.g. The refuel system SHALL refuel the plane in 10 minutes from empty to full). "Will" is simply a statement of intent or a goal/desire which may not be verifiable (e.g. The refuel system WILL be easy to use).

Within a requirements document, each SHALL is numbered so that it can be linked to its verification plans, procedures, and documentation, and so that lower-level requirements (e.g. in the requirements document for a pump) can be traced to higher-level requirements (for the fuel system). There's an entire sub-field within Systems Engineering just having to do with requirements management - a typical aircraft design program will have probably around 100 people who just track SHALLs for a living.
 
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LynahFan said:
Within a requirements document, each SHALL is numbered so that it can be linked to its verification plans, procedures, and documentation, and so that lower-level requirements (e.g. in the requirements document for a pump) can be traced to higher-level requirements (for the fuel system). There's an entire sub-field within Systems Engineering just having to do with requirements management - a typical aircraft design program will have probably around 100 people who just track SHALLs for a living.
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God bless RTMs! Now for real excitement, tell us about BOEs! ;)

(If you had told me at age ten I would be doing this for a living, I'd have shot myself.)

BTW, I'd love to see a SOW or Proposal with "may" in it. "We may do that... or... we may not." The way "mayness" is generally expressed in our industry is "The Contractor shall use industry best practices in selecting...," which basically means, "we'll let you figure it out as you go along, and that may or may not be the way we expect you to do it. If anything goes wrong, see you at the deposition."
 
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That test really wasn't that difficult if you take questions that are obviously dated to that time and reshape them to fit 2011.
 
joecct said:
Actually New York is wrong. There are two New Yorks. The New York City area (including Long Island) and "upstate" which is usually described as north of Yonkers.
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PA is wrong too. Only Philly is cheesesteaks, the rest are yokels and rednecks
 
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