This is an accurate description of rural roads in Northern Canada for sure. Grew up on them, now live in Urban US. It’s different. Absolutely heartbreaking accident.
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14 Die When Truck Collides With Hockey Team's Bus in Canada
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This is an accurate description of rural roads in Northern Canada for sure. Grew up on them, now live in Urban US. It’s different. Absolutely heartbreaking accident.
bluffrinkrat
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Re: 14 Die When Truck Collides With Hockey Team's Bus in Canada
Yep. I've spent over 50 years hunting and fishing in northern Minnesota and in Canada. You always gotta be wary of those truckers and loggers in both countries. Never had an accident though, other than the time a deer ran into my car when I was stopped and when a moose crossed in front of me on Highway 1 and defecated on the hood of my Bronco.
Yep. I've spent over 50 years hunting and fishing in northern Minnesota and in Canada. You always gotta be wary of those truckers and loggers in both countries. Never had an accident though, other than the time a deer ran into my car when I was stopped and when a moose crossed in front of me on Highway 1 and defecated on the hood of my Bronco.
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bluffrinkrat
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When I first heard of this horrendous accident the other day I immediately thought of the two plane crashes in 1970 with the Wichita State and Marshall football teams, probably because they happened so close together.
A couple "guilty pleasure" books you might find interesting are Alive: The Story of the Andes Survivors by Pier Pauls Read about the plane crash that killed among others 11 players from a Uruguayan rugby team and the gruesome aftermath of those that survived. Also, Freefall, by William Hoffer which is "a detailed accounting of an Air Canada flight which in 1983 ran out of fuel at 41,000 feet over Middle of Nowhere, Manitoba." The plane basically became a glider at that point.
When I first heard of this horrendous accident the other day I immediately thought of the two plane crashes in 1970 with the Wichita State and Marshall football teams, probably because they happened so close together.
A couple "guilty pleasure" books you might find interesting are Alive: The Story of the Andes Survivors by Pier Pauls Read about the plane crash that killed among others 11 players from a Uruguayan rugby team and the gruesome aftermath of those that survived. Also, Freefall, by William Hoffer which is "a detailed accounting of an Air Canada flight which in 1983 ran out of fuel at 41,000 feet over Middle of Nowhere, Manitoba." The plane basically became a glider at that point.
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bluffrinkrat
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There are memorials at both the site of the 1993 plane crash near Hibbing and of course, at the 2002 Wellstone plane crash site which is about a mile or so from where I used to live on Ely Lake. The Wellstone memorial site is very nicely done with individual memorials for each person that died in the crash, except for the two pilots. We thought that was wrong. The pilots also lost their lives in the crash. Although I don't know for sure why they were not included it may have been because of rumored issues I have heard regarding the pilots.
There are memorials at both the site of the 1993 plane crash near Hibbing and of course, at the 2002 Wellstone plane crash site which is about a mile or so from where I used to live on Ely Lake. The Wellstone memorial site is very nicely done with individual memorials for each person that died in the crash, except for the two pilots. We thought that was wrong. The pilots also lost their lives in the crash. Although I don't know for sure why they were not included it may have been because of rumored issues I have heard regarding the pilots.
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Russell Jaslow
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All professional sports leagues have a well thought out plan in place in case of a tragedy like this, especially a plane crash. There's way too much money involved not to have one.
Years ago, when a soccer team was wiped out, there was an article in the NY Times explaining what each North American league's plan is in such a situation.
All professional sports leagues have a well thought out plan in place in case of a tragedy like this, especially a plane crash. There's way too much money involved not to have one.
Years ago, when a soccer team was wiped out, there was an article in the NY Times explaining what each North American league's plan is in such a situation.
Russell Jaslow
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It was a rugby team.
That is a very good book. But be warned, a very difficult one to read. Especially the detailed description of the plane crash and the immediate consequences to the passengers. It is very detailed.
It was a rugby team.
That is a very good book. But be warned, a very difficult one to read. Especially the detailed description of the plane crash and the immediate consequences to the passengers. It is very detailed.
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Puckdrop14
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Read the book and saw the movie. One that sticks with you for a long time much like this Canadian tragedy will.
bluffrinkrat
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Yes, of course it was a rugby team. Thank you, I corrected my post.
Would it be morbid of me if I mentioned that if you liked the PBS American Experience program on the Donner Party you'll love this book?
Yes, of course it was a rugby team. Thank you, I corrected my post.
Would it be morbid of me if I mentioned that if you liked the PBS American Experience program on the Donner Party you'll love this book?
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Blackbeard
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"Alive".
Tremendous book. Overwhwelmingly absorbing. Read it in 1975 and still have it. Had a very lasting affect on me.
Saw the movie as Puckdrop also did. No comparison to the book, in my opinion.
With respect to the Gimli Glider, the problem was in a conversion from Imperial measurement to Metric measurement (as the result of a malfunctioning fuel guage as I recall) that Canada was going through in the early '80's. Luckily, (to understate it), the pilot had had extensive glider experience and chose (he had no other choice) to land at the abandoned airfireld in Gimli (an hour north of Winnipeg) because it was the only reachable option. But the runway and field was being used that Sunday afternoon (as I believe it was) for a gathering of friends and families for some car racing...lots of people including kids...like a picnic/camping/recreational event all wrapped into one.
As the plane was approaching no one knew that it was going to land...how could they?...why would they think that?...it was an abandoned airfield. Once they realized that their assumptions were wrong panic set it in and people scattered for their lives. As I recall there were two kids on the runway as the plane was touching down. No one was hurt. Pilot was a hero. There are no coincidences.
The incident was featured on an episode of MayDay in Canada years ago. Spellbinding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwMqDnBCBwc
Detailed explanation...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snVifFDoAG8
Here's a version with the ugliness of politics thrown in afterwards, finger pointing and all...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ffryZAd4Nw
And regarding the Donner Party...saw a 2 or 3 hour documentary on it decades ago...absolutely riveting. Both it and Alive laid bare the human condition stripped clean of props, societal expectations and a lot of the BS of everyday life. Should be required reading/viewing for PCer's and those concerned about imagined micro aggression for a good dose of reality.
"Alive".
Tremendous book. Overwhwelmingly absorbing. Read it in 1975 and still have it. Had a very lasting affect on me.
Saw the movie as Puckdrop also did. No comparison to the book, in my opinion.
With respect to the Gimli Glider, the problem was in a conversion from Imperial measurement to Metric measurement (as the result of a malfunctioning fuel guage as I recall) that Canada was going through in the early '80's. Luckily, (to understate it), the pilot had had extensive glider experience and chose (he had no other choice) to land at the abandoned airfireld in Gimli (an hour north of Winnipeg) because it was the only reachable option. But the runway and field was being used that Sunday afternoon (as I believe it was) for a gathering of friends and families for some car racing...lots of people including kids...like a picnic/camping/recreational event all wrapped into one.
As the plane was approaching no one knew that it was going to land...how could they?...why would they think that?...it was an abandoned airfield. Once they realized that their assumptions were wrong panic set it in and people scattered for their lives. As I recall there were two kids on the runway as the plane was touching down. No one was hurt. Pilot was a hero. There are no coincidences.
The incident was featured on an episode of MayDay in Canada years ago. Spellbinding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwMqDnBCBwc
Detailed explanation...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snVifFDoAG8
Here's a version with the ugliness of politics thrown in afterwards, finger pointing and all...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ffryZAd4Nw
And regarding the Donner Party...saw a 2 or 3 hour documentary on it decades ago...absolutely riveting. Both it and Alive laid bare the human condition stripped clean of props, societal expectations and a lot of the BS of everyday life. Should be required reading/viewing for PCer's and those concerned about imagined micro aggression for a good dose of reality.
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Blackbeard
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This tragedy has had a serious effect across the country, as one would expect, but as the second article indicates, across the planet as well...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/humboldt-stolen-hockey-sticks-1.4612892
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/humboldt-broncos-gofundme-biggest-1.4612322
This tragedy has had a serious effect across the country, as one would expect, but as the second article indicates, across the planet as well...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/humboldt-stolen-hockey-sticks-1.4612892
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/humboldt-broncos-gofundme-biggest-1.4612322
That's because you're hungry for information.
bluffrinkrat
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I always have been a voracious reader ever since I was a little kid reading sci fi stories in the 50's such as that tasty little morsel "To Serve Man" by Damon Knight. I think Rod Serling liked it, too.
I always have been a voracious reader ever since I was a little kid reading sci fi stories in the 50's such as that tasty little morsel "To Serve Man" by Damon Knight. I think Rod Serling liked it, too.
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Blackbeard
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I've always found it difficult to understand how many parents are able to speak publicly about the death of their child so soon after their loss occurs. Maybe it's somewhat cathartic while the shock still provides a virtually impenetrable protective veil.
This father has my respect:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/...victim-opens-up-about-family-s-loss-1.4614019
I've always found it difficult to understand how many parents are able to speak publicly about the death of their child so soon after their loss occurs. Maybe it's somewhat cathartic while the shock still provides a virtually impenetrable protective veil.
This father has my respect:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/...victim-opens-up-about-family-s-loss-1.4614019
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Totally. I can hardly imagine the pain he's had to deal with.
Totally. I can hardly imagine the pain he's had to deal with.
SeymoreHockey
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Not really an accurate description of the road where this happened. (they my be like that further north) but this road was paved with shoulders, white lines, etc just like any other rural road in this part of the province and country. Road condition had nothing to do with this tragedy. It had proper signage that MAY have been ignored/missed by the truck. A grove of trees near the intersection MAY have impaired vision of the intersection, but the reconstruction teams have yet to finalize their investigation. Our country continues to reel from this tragedy and heart breaking stories continue to emerge. The GoFundMe account is now approaching $8 million for the victims and their families. the world has taken notice and responded. Rest assured, Canada will take care of them over the months and years ahead. It's going to be a long, tough battle for sure. #humboldtstrong
Check this out: https://www.bardown.com/humboldt-br...ighest-gofundme-account-of-all-time-1.1053151
Not really an accurate description of the road where this happened. (they my be like that further north) but this road was paved with shoulders, white lines, etc just like any other rural road in this part of the province and country. Road condition had nothing to do with this tragedy. It had proper signage that MAY have been ignored/missed by the truck. A grove of trees near the intersection MAY have impaired vision of the intersection, but the reconstruction teams have yet to finalize their investigation. Our country continues to reel from this tragedy and heart breaking stories continue to emerge. The GoFundMe account is now approaching $8 million for the victims and their families. the world has taken notice and responded. Rest assured, Canada will take care of them over the months and years ahead. It's going to be a long, tough battle for sure. #humboldtstrong
Check this out: https://www.bardown.com/humboldt-br...ighest-gofundme-account-of-all-time-1.1053151
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pokechecker
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since you missed part of the post she was agreeing to ...
OK, it wasn't a logging truck, it was peat moss
yes, it is nice Canadians are ponying up, sure would have been nice if they had done the same for the girl hurt in the exhibition during intermission of the NHL outdoor game a couple years back, last I heard only the Bruins did, but not the league
since you missed part of the post she was agreeing to ...
OK, it wasn't a logging truck, it was peat moss
yes, it is nice Canadians are ponying up, sure would have been nice if they had done the same for the girl hurt in the exhibition during intermission of the NHL outdoor game a couple years back, last I heard only the Bruins did, but not the league
bluffrinkrat
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Thank you for posting that. What a beautiful testament by this father to his remarkable son. "Really dad, just get on with it already." I can't imagine.
Thank you for posting that. What a beautiful testament by this father to his remarkable son. "Really dad, just get on with it already." I can't imagine.
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The general point about the infrastructure of rural roads is still valid: they are different and more dangerous relative to what you see in other areas.
Intersecting highways with a 100km/hr speed limit (traffic probably goes 109 minimum, more likely 115 and some jerks faster than that), and it is controlled by a stop sign. I’m not saying it’s wrong, but I’m saying you don’t experience that everywhere (and that’s what I interpreted the poster saying as well).
I am glad there has been a response from the hockey community with the donations, it really is incredible. Obviously, this accident touched a nerve with people around the world. I have no doubt the people of Saskatchewan will support those affected in every way they can.
SeymoreHockey
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I agree with you on this Lindsay. Speed limits on these roads are often way too high, in my opinion. In Ontario, these types of roads have an 80 k speed limit. In Alberta, and SK it is often 100, and that's too fast, especially for trucks hauling heavy loads and intersecting with other similar type of roads. There are many things that factor in to this sad situation, including time of day, sunset, trees, small stop sign, etc, etc. The reconstruction teams are actively investigating but in the meantime, all of Canada is rallying to support these families and players. It all be a long and painful journey and anything we can do to help, we will.
I agree with you on this Lindsay. Speed limits on these roads are often way too high, in my opinion. In Ontario, these types of roads have an 80 k speed limit. In Alberta, and SK it is often 100, and that's too fast, especially for trucks hauling heavy loads and intersecting with other similar type of roads. There are many things that factor in to this sad situation, including time of day, sunset, trees, small stop sign, etc, etc. The reconstruction teams are actively investigating but in the meantime, all of Canada is rallying to support these families and players. It all be a long and painful journey and anything we can do to help, we will.