LakerEagleLover
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NC$$ making some noise - https://www.ncaa.org/about/resource...racket-expansions-diem-increases?sf21324162=1
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12 Team Field.....
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PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Re: 12 Team Field.....
Great news, but one thing that stands out
Mens Ice Hockey 11 teams - annual cost $12,000
Mens Volleyball 10 teams - annual cost $37,000
$37-freakn thousand-dollars and we can't allow our hockey teams to stay an extra night? Do they play with golden balls? Private jets with steak and lobster? Feed them Arbys and save some $$$.
Great news, but one thing that stands out
Mens Ice Hockey 11 teams - annual cost $12,000
Mens Volleyball 10 teams - annual cost $37,000
$37-freakn thousand-dollars and we can't allow our hockey teams to stay an extra night? Do they play with golden balls? Private jets with steak and lobster? Feed them Arbys and save some $$$.
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Re: 12 Team Field.....
I dont think you will ever see "Regionals" at the DIII level. They will never pay the $$$ to send teams out East/West. Now your second version maybe....
I dont think you will ever see "Regionals" at the DIII level. They will never pay the $$$ to send teams out East/West. Now your second version maybe....
Most other D3 sports have regionals that pair down to either 4 or 8 teams that convene at a central site.
They have flown Colorado College cross country for the lacrosse tournament, so anything is possible particularly if a sugar daddy (Corporate Champion in NCAA jargon) sponsors the d3 championships
gojackets
New member
Re: 12 Team Field.....
I'm sure it comes down to travel costs. There are volleyball teams in every state, so they are going to have to fly teams. With Hockey you are limited to Wisconsin/MN--all driving distance and the NE, mostly driving distance.
Actually looking at d3volleyball...with the exception of a few teams in WI/IL and a couple in california...all teams are in the NE. So that does make you wonder.
I'm sure it comes down to travel costs. There are volleyball teams in every state, so they are going to have to fly teams. With Hockey you are limited to Wisconsin/MN--all driving distance and the NE, mostly driving distance.
Actually looking at d3volleyball...with the exception of a few teams in WI/IL and a couple in california...all teams are in the NE. So that does make you wonder.
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Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: 12 Team Field.....
I don't think that's what the chart is saying. The title of that chart is recommended bracket expansion. I believe the cost column is how much extra it will cost if the bracket expansion is approved.
Volleyball is proposing an increase of two teams while hockey proposing an increase of one team. So, double the $12,000 amount and that makes $24,000, which is still less than the volleyball column, but if the two team increase requires some cross country flights due to where the teams are located, it makes sense.
I don't think that's what the chart is saying. The title of that chart is recommended bracket expansion. I believe the cost column is how much extra it will cost if the bracket expansion is approved.
Volleyball is proposing an increase of two teams while hockey proposing an increase of one team. So, double the $12,000 amount and that makes $24,000, which is still less than the volleyball column, but if the two team increase requires some cross country flights due to where the teams are located, it makes sense.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: 12 Team Field.....
Exactly. Plus, according to the article, baseball is proposing (and it was recommended to be approved) to go to a super regional format.
If you read the reasoning for this -- "...and would ensure that student-athletes miss less class time" -- would certainly also be the case if you spent just one weekend paring the entire field down to four teams.
Exactly. Plus, according to the article, baseball is proposing (and it was recommended to be approved) to go to a super regional format.
If you read the reasoning for this -- "...and would ensure that student-athletes miss less class time" -- would certainly also be the case if you spent just one weekend paring the entire field down to four teams.
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Re: 12 Team Field.....
This is the same NCAA that shot down the proposal last year to expand the mileage from 500 to 650...do you really think they are going to fly more teams around?
2nd - it says annual cost...adding one more team to soccer I HIGHLY doubt is going to be nearly a $37,000 increase....if so that's one expensive team.
I understand the whole regional / super regional system, but it doesn't fit DIII hockey with the way things have been done. We have always been looked down upon. Their not going to be willing to allow teams to teavel cross country when they can just do a 4 quarter-final weekend. The only way this would work is if we cut the whole East/West ranking and rank 1-12 and #12 goes to #1 and geography doesn't matter ect ect.
This is the same NCAA that shot down the proposal last year to expand the mileage from 500 to 650...do you really think they are going to fly more teams around?
2nd - it says annual cost...adding one more team to soccer I HIGHLY doubt is going to be nearly a $37,000 increase....if so that's one expensive team.
I understand the whole regional / super regional system, but it doesn't fit DIII hockey with the way things have been done. We have always been looked down upon. Their not going to be willing to allow teams to teavel cross country when they can just do a 4 quarter-final weekend. The only way this would work is if we cut the whole East/West ranking and rank 1-12 and #12 goes to #1 and geography doesn't matter ect ect.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: 12 Team Field.....
Expansion to 12 passed another hurdle last week.
https://www.ncaa.org/about/resource...s-modest-championships-expansion?sf23163319=1
April will be the final decider.
Expansion to 12 passed another hurdle last week.
https://www.ncaa.org/about/resource...s-modest-championships-expansion?sf23163319=1
April will be the final decider.
If it wasn't for that pesky 500 mile rule, I'd like to try 4 three team regionals at campus sites on Fri/Sat.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
If we went that route, I would like to see 3 games then between all 3 teams at the regional.
Top seed plays lowest seed Friday, lowest seed plays #2 Saturday, top seed plays #2 Sunday.
Best record advances and then make it goal differential as tiebreaker.
That maximizes revenue with 3 games including definitely 2 with the host school and it eliminates the 1 and done hot goalie problem. I think it's a nice hybrid of the old quarterfinal system where you played 2 games and had the mini game if necessary.
For instance this year would have looked something like this for this season with 12 teams.
Adrian Regional
#1 Adrian
#2 Plattsburgh
#3 Augsburg
Geneseo Regional
#1 Geneseo
#2 Williams
#3 UMass Boston
Hobart Regional
#1 Hobart
#2 Trinity
#3 Salve Regina
St. Norbert Regional
#1 St. Norbert
#2 Stevens Point
#3 Salem State
The only big issue with this format is you have to fly three teams for this round.
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Re: 12 Team Field.....
How about only two flights?
Adrian Regional
#1 Adrian
#2 Stevens Point
#3 Salve Regina
Geneseo Regional
#1 Geneseo
#2 Williams
#3 Salem St.
Hobart Regional
#1 Hobart
#2 Plattsburgh
#3 Trinity
St. Norbert Regional
#1 St. Norbert
#2 UMass Boston
#3 Augsburg
The fear with the NCAA is that we'd get Stevens Point @ St. Norbert, with the winner going to Adrian! Ouch of a first round (and QF) game!
How about only two flights?
Adrian Regional
#1 Adrian
#2 Stevens Point
#3 Salve Regina
Geneseo Regional
#1 Geneseo
#2 Williams
#3 Salem St.
Hobart Regional
#1 Hobart
#2 Plattsburgh
#3 Trinity
St. Norbert Regional
#1 St. Norbert
#2 UMass Boston
#3 Augsburg
The fear with the NCAA is that we'd get Stevens Point @ St. Norbert, with the winner going to Adrian! Ouch of a first round (and QF) game!
bakdraft21
Well-known member
Re: 12 Team Field.....
I would like this scenario much better if Oswego was in one of these groups