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117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

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Kepler said:
Oh I quite agree. The sin isn't that Manchin doesn't vote to ban fossil fuel. The sin is we fucked up so badly we have to ask him to.
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This is why I think the cafe is one of the best politics sites on the web. No other place would the leftest lefty acknowledge this.
 
As somewhat expected, the GOP killed the first proposed maps in Iowa. They're blaming the lack of compactness, primarily district 4 which stretched from one corner to another, covering almost the entire NW 1/3rd of the state, and population deviations in some statehouse districts.

Apparently the thoughts were that it would've passed in the House with the Dems + roughly half the GOP voting for it had it gotten a vote over there, but the Senate quickly killed it in a party-line vote in a matter of hours.
 
unofan said:
As somewhat expected, the GOP killed the first proposed maps in Iowa. They're blaming the lack of compactness, primarily district 4 which stretched from one corner to another, covering almost the entire NW 1/3rd of the state, and population deviations in some statehouse districts.

Apparently the thoughts were that it would've passed in the House with the Dems + roughly half the GOP voting for it had it gotten a vote over there, but the Senate quickly killed it in a party-line vote in a matter of hours.
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Woof
 
Rep. John Yarmuth, Kentucky’s lone Democrat in Congress, is retiring at the end of this cycle. That adds some worry for me that Kentucky Republicans will no longer have McConnell standing in the way of gerrymandering that seat to make Kentucky 6-0 GOP instead of 5-1. I guess time will tell.
 
psych said:
There is a good chance this is our last opportunity to govern with the Democratic trifecta until 2030 or later, and we have anchors Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema on our team. Disappointing as hell.
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Joe Manchin is not the problem. He's +10D in a +50R state. For the last time, he's a unicorn worth protecting.

Sinema is none of those things. They are not comparable.
 
Stop with the stats...he is a roadblock to progress. He is an anchor and when history is written will not be defended for how he enabled the downfall.

He is not worth protecting anymore because he isn't acting contrary to his replacement anymore. Committee assignments don't matter if nothing can pass.

Reconciliation and Infrastructure are all but dead...if the GOP controlled the Senate we would literally be in the same spot. Maybe they block some judges but likely not.

Manchin isn't a unicorn...he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
 
Handyman said:
Stop with the stats...he is a roadblock to progress. He is an anchor and when history is written well not be defended for how he enabled the downfall.

He is not worth protecting anymore because he isn't acting contrary to his replacement anymore. Committee assignments don't matter if nothing can pass.
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This.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Joe Manchin is not the problem. He's +10D in a +50R state. For the last time, he's a unicorn worth protecting.

Sinema is none of those things. They are not comparable.
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“For the last time?” I don’t expect you to keep up with all of my posts, but I might be the staunchest Joe Manchin defender on here. I will take Joe Manchin and our threadbare trifecta anyday, while still recognizing that our trifecta sucks with him and Sinema as our weak links. I’ve also been probably the biggest Sinema basher on here as well. Again, I don’t expect you to keep up with everything I say, but I do know what I’ve said, and I’ve never complained about Manchin holding a safe Republican seat.

Edit: Not that Handy keeps up with all that I’ve posted either, but this is one of the few areas we have strongly disagreed on, and I think he’d agree I overcompensate protecting Manchin. Manchin > Republicans in charge of the Senate.
 
Handyman said:
Stop with the stats...he is a roadblock to progress. He is an anchor and when history is written will not be defended for how he enabled the downfall.

He is not worth protecting anymore because he isn't acting contrary to his replacement anymore. Committee assignments don't matter if nothing can pass.

Reconciliation and Infrastructure are all but dead...if the GOP controlled the Senate we would literally be in the same spot. Maybe they block some judges but likely not.

Manchin isn't a unicorn...he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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Right on cue! I don’t think infrastructure and reconciliation are dead yet. Drastically watered down? Absolutely.

Edit: All of this internal disagreement and time spent crafting the bill adds to the “Dems in Disarray” narrative that the MSM is pushing, which may end up coming true if we torpedo everything, while allowing Republicans to craft a compelling* messaging of their own for the midterms.

*compelling to the average mainstream voter, not hardcore partisans who read political articles daily like I’m guessing all of us do.
 
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