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117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

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I truly don't know what to say about the party that I might once have called myself sympathetic to.

It's so gross. All of this. Gross. Every day they outdo themselves. The few honorable people left (and there are some) need to leave. It's dead. Cut off the rot.
 
Looks like Trump-backed candidate Mike Carey romped to victory in OH-15, while moderate Shontel Brown looks to be leading progressive Nina Turner 50%-44% with 62% of precincts reporting as of this post.
 
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Looks like Trump-backed candidate Mike Carey romped to victory in OH-15, while moderate Shontel Brown looks to be leading progressive Nina Turner 50%-44% with 62% of precincts reporting as of this post.
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Nina Turner isn't a Democrat (assuming it's the same person I'm thinking of)

fuck her

Edit: oh yeah, definitely the same one and she can definitely get fucked.
 
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Nina Turner isn't a Democrat (assuming it's the same person I'm thinking of)

fuck her

Edit: oh yeah, definitely the same one and she can definitely get fucked.
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Looks like the race is being called for Shontel Brown, so no one has to worry about Nina Turner.
 
Oh man the Jill Stein fans are not happy on Twitter. Apparently she lost because of "dark money" (her words) and it was rigged by the "Corporate Warmonger Dems". These people are not creative.

(by all accounts I read Turner outspent Brown so...yeah)
 
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Oh man the Jill Stein fans are not happy on Twitter. Apparently she lost because of "dark money" (her words) and it was rigged by the "Corporate Warmonger Dems". These people are not creative.

(by all accounts I read Turner outspent Brown so...yeah)
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Did Soros pay them before paying me?
 
I had never heard of Nina Turner before this race, but I haven't seen anything other than a Sanders Wing Dem who stresses the economic issues that make some in the party very uncomfortable, much like Sanders himself.

She doesn't seem like a Jill Stein at all.

But like I say, I have read maybe 40 column inches about her lifetime.

The people at Jacobin have never mentioned her, but Chapo Trap House likes her, and that seems like a good thing.

This reflexive hatred of the Left needs to stop if we are going to beat the Nazis.
 
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I had never heard of Nina Turner before this race, but I haven't seen anything other than a Sanders Wing Dem who stresses the economic issues that make some in the party very uncomfortable, much like Sanders himself.

She doesn't seem like a Jill Stein at all.

But like I say, I have read maybe 40 column inches about her lifetime.

The people at Jacobin have never mentioned her, but Chapo Trap House likes her, and that seems like a good thing.

This reflexive hatred of the Left needs to stop if we are going to beat the Nazis.
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From the little I’ve read of her, she’s a bomb-thrower, like saying the only thing Clyburn got out of Biden for endorsing him before the South Carolina primary is that Juneteenth was made a federal holiday. There’s a ton of other stuff shes’s said- again, from the little I’ve read. What I found interesting is not only did Sanders and AOC endorse her, but so did Bakari Sellers, a Clinton surrogate.
 
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From the little I’ve read of her, she’s a bomb-thrower, like saying the only thing Clyburn got out of Biden for endorsing him before the South Carolina primary is that Juneteenth was made a federal holiday. There’s a ton of other stuff shes’s said- again, from the little I’ve read. What I found interesting is not only did Sanders and AOC endorse her, but so did Bakari Sellers, a Clinton surrogate.
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That could be. I know nothing.

I am obviously predisposed to be protective of the few Leftists who remain. But I can recognize self-defeating posturing (Stein) when I see it.
 
Kepler said:
That could be. I know nothing.

I am obviously predisposed to be protective of the few Leftists who remain. But I can recognize self-defeating posturing (Stein) when I see it.
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I think she would have been a reliable Democratic vote. The entire Squad, at least the females, endorsed her, so I’m sure she would have joined their ranks. I would have been fine with either candidate in Congress. Pelosi will gain one more vote for her razor-thin margin, allowing the Jared Goldens of the world to vote “no” on everything and take credit later.

Edit: forgot I wrote about Bakari Sellers already. D’oh.
 
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I had never heard of Nina Turner before this race, but I haven't seen anything other than a Sanders Wing Dem who stresses the economic issues that make some in the party very uncomfortable, much like Sanders himself.

She doesn't seem like a Jill Stein at all.

But like I say, I have read maybe 40 column inches about her lifetime.

The people at Jacobin have never mentioned her, but Chapo Trap House likes her, and that seems like a good thing.

This reflexive hatred of the Left needs to stop if we are going to beat the Nazis.
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She didn't endorse Hillary or Biden and said Biden is like "eating a bowl of shit"

This reflexive hatred of the Democratic party needs to stop if we are going to beat the Nazis.
 
Kepler said:
I had never heard of Nina Turner before this race, but I haven't seen anything other than a Sanders Wing Dem who stresses the economic issues that make some in the party very uncomfortable, much like Sanders himself.

She doesn't seem like a Jill Stein at all.

But like I say, I have read maybe 40 column inches about her lifetime.

The people at Jacobin have never mentioned her, but Chapo Trap House likes her, and that seems like a good thing.

This reflexive hatred of the Left needs to stop if we are going to beat the Nazis.
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She supported Jill Stein, especially in Pennsylvania where Stein's votes were the difference in 2016. She also then went on CNN after the fact and basically laughed at the Dems for losing...

It isn't her policies, they are excellent. It is her rhetoric and her "fuck you its my way or the highway!" attitude. Think back to the last 2 Dem Primaries, it wasn't Bernie who was the issue it was the people who spoke for him and their "we would rather burn the house down than work to fix the house" attitude which ultimately did him in. To them (and her) it is purity above all else. Letting Trump take power to prove a point is more than fine with her and her staunch supporters, and losing is not an option. The system is corrupt...except for her of course.

Look, it is completely hypocritical to mock Trump and the GOP for claiming his loss was "rigged" and "fraud" with "outside interests pushing an agenda" and then not call that out within our party. Turner has all the right ideas but she is just the way wrong person to implement them. The proof is that she couldn't just accept that she lost, it had to be dark money from outside interests that took her down. (just like when Bernie lost to Hillary) She stokes the same firebrand BS that Trump does only she does it for our side so we should just accept it. Screw that noise. She is a power hungry POS who thinks that both sides are so corrupt only she and her kind can fix it. (sound familiar) If she can't win she was obviously screwed and now she and her ilk can just take their ball and go home. The amount of parallels between her and her sycophants and the Trumpers (again not policy, attitude) is rather scary.

The Far Left can do way the fuck better than a turncoat proto-authoritarian. Cori Bush is 100000X better than Nina Turner could ever dream to be. Brown is not perfect, but she holds the Dem Agenda (and the Agenda of all under the umbrella) as her own unlike Turner who would sooner light herself on fire than side with Biden on anything.
 
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She supported Jill Stein, especially in Pennsylvania where Stein's votes were the difference in 2016. She also then went on CNN after the fact and basically laughed at the Dems for losing...

It isn't her policies, they are excellent. It is her rhetoric and her "fuck you its my way or the highway!" attitude. Think back to the last 2 Dem Primaries, it wasn't Bernie who was the issue it was the people who spoke for him and their "we would rather burn the house down than work to fix the house" attitude which ultimately did him in. To them (and her) it is purity above all else. Letting Trump take power to prove a point is more than fine with her and her staunch supporters, and losing is not an option. The system is corrupt...except for her of course.

Look, it is completely hypocritical to mock Trump and the GOP for claiming his loss was "rigged" and "fraud" with "outside interests pushing an agenda" and then not call that out within our party. Turner has all the right ideas but she is just the way wrong person to implement them. The proof is that she couldn't just accept that she lost, it had to be dark money from outside interests that took her down. (just like when Bernie lost to Hillary) She stokes the same firebrand BS that Trump does only she does it for our side so we should just accept it. Screw that noise. She is a power hungry POS who thinks that both sides are so corrupt only she and her kind can fix it. (sound familiar) If she can't win she was obviously screwed and now she and her ilk can just take their ball and go home. The amount of parallels between her and her sycophants and the Trumpers (again not policy, attitude) is rather scary.

The Far Left can do way the fuck better than a turncoat proto-authoritarian. Cori Bush is 100000X better than Nina Turner could ever dream to be. Brown is not perfect, but she holds the Dem Agenda (and the Agenda of all under the umbrella) as her own unlike Turner who would sooner light herself on fire than side with Biden on anything.
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Exactly. There are several ways to push the DNC left without nuking it and your chances of beating the nazis. AOC has done a pretty good job of it. Bernie has as well. I'll take handy's word about Cori Bush, I haven't followed her as much. Obviously there are others I didn't list.

Then there are the people like Turner, Brihana Gray, and others who have taken a "My way or fuck everyone" approach that most parents would recognize from their toddlers.
 
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