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117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

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Kepler said:
Because he caucuses with the Dems we have chairs on every committee.

He's terrible except for the alternative.

We should take whatever Manchin gives us and concentrate on trying to get sane Rs to switch.
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Democrats should be as nasty as possible to Manchin. That should really help their cause.
 
Man, this thread turned embarrassing fast. Manchin is another Collins? Just to the left of Ben Sasse? Did Ben Sasse or Susan Collins vote to advance the budget under reconciliation rules? Anything over $1 trillion is > $600 billion that Collins and her “moderate” GOP ilk came up with, right? I’m fairly certain Manchin will vote for something over $1 trillion. Does Susan Collins support a minimum wage raise to $11? Maybe she does now, but she voted against a raise to $10.10 in 2014. Collins is the best the GOP has to offer, and y’all think Manchin is worse than her? Ish, what a terrible opinion.

Edit: I’m honestly stunned only Kepler and maybe one other poster gets that Manchin >>>>>>> GOP Senators. Where the f-ck is the pragmatism?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I think he's basically just to the left of Ben Sasse. He'll do no more for the Democrats than Susan Collins. He's basically another her.
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Oh for fark sake. Because Manchin is a D, Moscow Mitch is the Senate minority leader instead of the majority leader.

That by itself makes him infinitely better than Collins or Murkowski.
 
unofan said:
Oh for fark sake. Because Manchin is a D, Moscow Mitch is the Senate minority leader instead of the majority leader.

That by itself makes him infinitely better than Collins or Murkowski.
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Thank you for understanding basic governance.
 
Many of us on here understand how committees work and how manchin is better than some R from that state. Having issues with some of his decisions isn’t saying that I wish he was replaced by a republican- and I don’t always type a ton here as I’m on my phone, and I suspect nothing I can type will convince you otherwise anyway.

and again, as some of you may say people like me sit here and whine, at least I’m actively doing something about it by supporting D candidates in other states that should be feasible
 
Every village needs its idiot and Manchin is the Dems' (Patty Murray shuffles excitedly, waiting her turn).

As for the Cafe, well, we don't do Poser of the Year anymore.
 
of course manchin is better for that reason. I understand that. But on voting for things Democrats want? He is no better than Susan Collins.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Many of us on here understand how committees work and how manchin is better than some R from that state. Having issues with some of his decisions isn’t saying that I wish he was replaced by a republican- and I don’t always type a ton here as I’m on my phone, and I suspect nothing I can type will convince you otherwise anyway.

and again, as some of you may say people like me sit here and whine, at least I’m actively doing something about it by supporting D candidates in other states that should be feasible
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I think most of us on here who consider ourselves actual Democrats are going to have issues with plenty of Manchin’s decisions. It’s frustrating as sh-t that we have to rely on him being our weakest link, rather than Sinema, Kelly, Feinstein, or King. Personally, I think Sinema is more frustrating to me than Manchin, but I digress. I think Manchin would absolutely support some version of a Voting Rights Act- a watered down version, to be sure- but a much stronger one than Susan Collins would support. Or Ben Sasse, who is probably in the top 5 for most conservative senators, his weak sh-t opposition to Trump when it didn’t matter much anymore notwithstanding. Democrats have a big f-cking tent with lots of f-cking hands in the pot, and it’s hard to satisfy all of them, which is why we fracture as a party much more than the GOP, which clearly has a singular focus and a mainly singular type of voter demographic. It has nothing to do with not having any balls, or some explanation like that I’ve seen on here.
 
unofan said:
Oh for fark sake. Because Manchin is a D, Moscow Mitch is the Senate minority leader instead of the majority leader.

That by itself makes him infinitely better than Collins or Murkowski.
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yup.

Manchin is the best we'll get from WV. He's not the problem.

The problem is Maine fucked up and reelected Susan Collins.
 
BassAle said:
Manchin has a Trump score of around 50%. Collins is 65%: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/ so by that measure he IS better than Susan Collins.

Shelly Capito has a Trump score of 92%, so that gives you an idea of what WV will replace Manchin with.
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Not only that, but Manchin’s expected score is WAY lower than it should be. Only Tester’s expected score is lower. Collins, on the other hand, has a higher expected score than McConnell, which basically means she’s way more conservative than she needs to be in the state she represents.
 
psych said:
Man, this thread turned embarrassing fast. Manchin is another Collins? Just to the left of Ben Sasse? Did Ben Sasse or Susan Collins vote to advance the budget under reconciliation rules? Anything over $1 trillion is > $600 billion that Collins and her “moderate” GOP ilk came up with, right? I’m fairly certain Manchin will vote for something over $1 trillion. Does Susan Collins support a minimum wage raise to $11? Maybe she does now, but she voted against a raise to $10.10 in 2014. Collins is the best the GOP has to offer, and y’all think Manchin is worse than her? Ish, what a terrible opinion.

Edit: I’m honestly stunned only Kepler and maybe one other poster gets that Manchin >>>>>>> GOP Senators. Where the f-ck is the pragmatism?
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I know he is better, I think you guys give him way too much credit though. Literally the only thing he helps is letting us have the majority. He is against quite a bit of even the most moderate of Biden's stuff. He isn't as bad as Scooby says but Scooby is closer to right than you want to believe. Hell his own Governor seems to support the Biden bill stronger than he does...

1>0 but not by that much. You are only as strong as your weakest link and he is about as weak a link as you can get.

He is also not good at playing the game at all. He never got the value of keeping your cards close to the vest. He folds before anyone bets...

I am not going to turn down the heat on his moronic ideas just because he has a D behind his name.
 
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