117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

[psych]

I understand what you’re saying, and I agree with most of it. I don’t think the Democrats should pull any punches, and I’d like to think I know McConnell’s capabilities as well as anyone on here, considering the motherfucker represents me in the Senate. I think some liberal posters’ characterizations of the Democratic Party on here, including yours, are accurate, and McConnell clearly knows it too.
That said, I think broadcasting that the GOP was/is too spineless to kick MTG off her committees, on top of being, you know, authoritarian b-tches who no longer care about democracy, would resonate with voters more than the GOP being able to argue that Democrats overreached on MTG.
I won’t claim to know what their messaging will be in key swing districts next year, and the MTG issue may not even be an issue next year, much less one the GOP even messages on. From the looks of it at the moment, we’ll be the ones messaging on it. It’s just disappointing that a woman of color, who honestly gets treated like sh-t half the time by her own party, could alone suffer the consequences for the MTG episode. I guess we’ll see, but you’re right, the GOP holding the House come January 2023 means this issue will be the least of our concerns.

 

[psych]

We can add Warren, Markey, Merkley, Gillibrand to the list of Senators who are currently a "no" on the "bi"partisan infrastructure bill, along with Jayapal in the House.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Never, ever listen to a damn thing Chip Roy says, just pay attention to how he votes. Flaming piece of sh*t, that guy.

 

[aparch]

The Senate has unanimously passed a bill to establish Juneteenth as a federal holiday. The House is the next stop.

Good.


Now, move the Columbus Day holiday to Election Day, eliminate Daylight Saving (or make it permanent, but pick one), and eliminate the Chicken Tax.

I am not a crackpot.

 

[SJHovey]

If they win back the House Omar being taken off of committees is the least of our worries so I guess I just don't agree. The Dems can't make their decisions based on fear of what the GOP will do in retaliation...otherwise what is the friggin point? Everything the Dems do the GOP will counter no matter what it is so either sack up or quit. If you can't throw someone off the committees she was on for the things she did then you can't throw them off for anything.

The Neville Chamberlain approach already failed once with the Nazis (literally) and too many people, many in power, have no problems purposefully making the same mistakes. Either the rules matter or they don't. Either actions matter or they don't. Either you stand for something or you don't. If the Dems only worry about what the GOP will do in response to everything they say and do they already lost and the country is doomed.

Do you think McConnell spent all those years as Majority Leader worried about what the Dems would do when they gained back the Senate in response to everything he pulled? Of course not...part of that is because he knows the Dems don't have the stones to ever do what is needed but the other part is he does what he wants to do screw the consequences. Hell he knows just threatening things now will scare enough of them away to pass what needs passing.

I would rather go down swinging. Pussyfooting around so as not to upset the delicate nature of fuckwits like Kevin McCarthy is a recipe for disaster. The Dems should tell him to get bent and to worry about his own people. Show a spine for once in your fucking existence. That is their only chance to save the House anyways.

The whole thing is silly. I don't remember writing that it was "stupid" but I'm not going to second guess psych on it. It's certainly a questionable maneuver, and here's why.

First, what did you gain from booting MTG? Did you shut her up? Did she get removed from office? Did she become more sane? I don't think we could answer "yes" to any of those questions.

She is a turd. She was a turd before she got elected, and she still got elected. Maybe you have somehow damaged her re-election chances, but you may have done the contrary and made her a martyr in her own district (I don't really know her district).

She had literally no power other than the power to vote as a committee participant. If you're going to throw someone off a committee, throw off a senior member who has real power or pull within the party.

Second, I love it when a batshit crazy liberal represents a district or state, and everyone knows they are crazy or extreme, so long as they aren't representing me. Those people are completely ineffective.

I would much rather have the most extreme liberal on the planet in Congress, if everyone knows they are crazy, than have someone less liberal but actually smart and effective.

I would love to see Omar represent that district for another 10 years. She pisses off as many people in her own party as she does in the R's.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

A turd? Why? Because she has different opinions than you do?

 

[SJHovey]

A turd? Why? Because she has different opinions than you do?

I should have written it more clearly. At that point in the post I was still referring to Greene. I've clarified it now.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I should have written it more clearly. At that point in the post I was still referring to Greene. I've clarified it now.

I see.

Personally I am trying to understand how MTG and Ron Johnson actually get elected. I worry that this nation is on it's last legs. The mirror between us and the Romans is becoming clearer and clearer.

 

[Swansong]

Omar has said some pretty outrageously stupid stuff, but at the time her party did to her what the GQP refused to do to MTG and reprimand her. Had the GQP done that - or anything at all - I doubt there would have been anything approaching groundswell to remove CrazyQLady from her committee assignments.

But then again, if your aim is not to govern...

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Johnson may finally be out in ‘22. He hasn’t said if he’s running yet, but even if he does, he’s the only statewide Republican left in Wisconsin, so there’s a good chance he’s gone.

 

[Kepler]

Omar has said some pretty outrageously stupid stuff

Src? All I've seen is stuff she's said which eejits have then bent themselves into a pretzel to make sound M E N A C I N G.

The DEEP CONCERNS about Omar I have seen have all been the kind of racist and Islamaphobic crap Jennifer Rubin spews on Bill Maher.

 

[Swansong]

Src? All I've seen is stuff she's said which eejits have then bent themselves into a pretzel to make sound M E N A C I N G.

The DEEP CONCERNS about Omar I have seen have all been the kind of racist and Islamaphobic crap Jennifer Rubin spews on Bill Maher.

Well, blithely dismissing the 9/11 attacks as "some people did some things" was pretty egregious. Or https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/...nning-another-public-rebuke-of-rep-ilhan-omar - this insanely disingenuous rant conflating any support for Israel in any capacity with pledging support for a foreign country.

We have a complicated relationship with Israel (who finally just did the right thing, huzzah!), but she is smarter than people give her credit for and she means exactly what she implies. And it isn't just the GQP that feels this way.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/04/700163118/democrats-planning-another-public-rebuke-of-rep-ilhan-omar
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/07/7010...ondemn-anti-semitism-after-rep-omars-comments



Please note, I'm using her example to say that the Democrats actually did the right thing and reprimanded a member that said stupid things, whereas the GQP steadfastly refuses.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Johnson may finally be out in ‘22. He hasn’t said if he’s running yet, but even if he does, he’s the only statewide Republican left in Wisconsin, so there’s a good chance he’s gone.

I’m sure high amounts of voter fraud will ensure he wins

 

[Kepler]

I’m sure high amounts of voter fraud will ensure he wins

The State Leg can just nullify the election and declare him victor, right? That's gonna be the GOP go to next cycle.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

The State Leg can just nullify the election and declare him victor, right? That's gonna be the GOP go to next cycle.

That’s exactly what I’m referring to

 

[Handyman]

I understand what you’re saying, and I agree with most of it. I don’t think the Democrats should pull any punches, and I’d like to think I know McConnell’s capabilities as well as anyone on here, considering the motherfucker represents me in the Senate. I think some liberal posters’ characterizations of the Democratic Party on here, including yours, are accurate, and McConnell clearly knows it too.
That said, I think broadcasting that the GOP was/is too spineless to kick MTG off her committees, on top of being, you know, authoritarian b-tches who no longer care about democracy, would resonate with voters more than the GOP being able to argue that Democrats overreached on MTG.
I won’t claim to know what their messaging will be in key swing districts next year, and the MTG issue may not even be an issue next year, much less one the GOP even messages on. From the looks of it at the moment, we’ll be the ones messaging on it. It’s just disappointing that a woman of color, who honestly gets treated like sh-t half the time by her own party, could alone suffer the consequences for the MTG episode. I guess we’ll see, but you’re right, the GOP holding the House come January 2023 means this issue will be the least of our concerns.

You trust the voters...especially the average "Barely Informed Outside What They See in 3 Minute Segments" voters way more than I do. If that was all it took the Dems would never lose. GOP branding (pun somewhat intended) Trumps the Dems showing the truth every day and in almost every election. I mean you yourself said you think the House is lost...this despite the fact that the entire country watched on live TV as the Trumpers (fueled by almost the entire GOP) tried to overthrow the election AND STILL ARE! They watched as the GOP in the Senate stopped an investigation into it, have gummed up the works on Voters Rights, Infrastructure and pretty much everything else even the voters want and it likely won't change what is coming.

Outside of the Faux crowd the voters know the truth...but the problem is they more resemble Drew than any of us. They might hate everything the GOP stands for but won't vote against them because its only the OTHER GOPers who suck, mine really cares and does the right thing! Plus they follow the people who actually seem to do something, not the ones who promise the world then when they lose because they aren't willing to bleed for it just throw up their hands like an 8 year old and say "but it isn't my fault THEY ARE BEING MEANIES!!1!1".

Look if I didn't believe that everything was on the line I would say 99% of what you said. That has been my mantra since I started voting. This is different, this is not some weird hypothetical about how if we elect Romney we will slippery slope in oblivion. Despite what certain posters around here think the enemy is at the gates and Democracy is pretty much on trial. Every centimeter we give they take a mile and it has been that way my whole friggin life. That is why voters never really trust the Dems and are so easy to vote them out. It is time to put up or shut up because if our pessimism is correct then there is real trouble coming. (even my optimist dad is saying it now which scares the Bejesus out of me!)

It is time for the Dems to stop acting like Dems and finally bring a gun to the gun fight. If the other team is taking cheap shots then fight fucking back already. Let Kevin McCarthy threaten to throw Omar off the Foreign Relations committee if he does she will be replaced. (not a dig on her I vote for her!) Stop worrying about what might happen in 18 months that is not in our control right now. If they regain power there is about seven million worse things they will do worse than that anyways.

 

[Handyman]

Src? All I've seen is stuff she's said which eejits have then bent themselves into a pretzel to make sound M E N A C I N G.

The DEEP CONCERNS about Omar I have seen have all been the kind of racist and Islamaphobic crap Jennifer Rubin spews on Bill Maher.

Stop it. I am a (((Liberal))) who votes for her and she absolutely says things that are problematic and outrageous. Now, some of them can be contributed to her not thinking before she speaks like "Its All About The Benjamins" when discussing Pro Jewish Lobbies but there are others. I don't think she is inherently Anti-Semitic (or I wouldn't vote for her) but I think things she says are not the type of things a sitting Congresswoman, one who faces plenty of Islamophobia, should be saying. Outside of her fellow Skwaders the rest of the Liberals took issue with what she said as well...are they all eejits? Hell around here trixie was the only one who never thought she said anything stupid...the Defense rests ;^)

That was why people thought she was vulnerable last cycle. She survived the primary (because her opponent was a nobody who was way too centrist for the area) so she was a lock at that point but if a serious liberal challenger shows up she will need to continue her tempering. She won't need to do much, and she is better now than she was 2 years ago (another reason I support her, she learns from mistakes!) but she will need to play the game a bit better. I think she will...

(BTW in case you want to claim bias Non-Jew Liberals in her district say exactly what I do)

 

[Kepler]

Stop it. I am a (((Liberal))) who votes for her and she absolutely says things that are problematic and outrageous.

I won't stop it if you can't provide full quotes in context.

What I have seen of the criticism of her is twaddle. A ((("Liberal"))) can be full of twaddle too (though I would describe you as a Centrist or, in a sane non-Nazi Right world, as a Center-Right Moderate).

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Will the Dems ever wake the fuck up and realize none of the Republicans want to work with them on anything. Go it alone, or go home.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...MutBvvPhaJhpcuEaDrkfoQa4NJW_2EcJnLFn6o0fv6Zgs

"Mitch McConnell's come under a lot of criticism for saying, at one point, he wanted to make sure that Barack Obama was a 'one-term president,'" Barrasso said last Thursday at an event hosted by the Ripon Society, a centrist Republican think tank, which posted the remarks Tuesday. "I want to make Joe Biden a one-half-term president."

 

[Kepler]

Will the Dems ever wake the fuck up and realize none of the Republicans want to work with them on anything. Go it alone, or go home.

I believe Biden had already learned the lesson it took Obama 2 years to learn, or at least Biden is not hampered by being Jackie.

Manchin is obviously not sincere, he's just playing political games. Sinema is following in McCain's footsteps just using the office for her own eccentric personal brand with zero fucks to give about the country.

Is there any other Democrat in America who has not realized the Republicans are Nazis whose only goal is power for its own sake? Maybe some hayseed Rep in a red state desperate to hold their seat. And I'm sure there are some 80-year old pundits who are too senile to realize it's not the Party of Tip O'Neil and Ronald Reagan anymore, Tweety.

But every Dem under 50 knows the GOP is the Klan with Russian funding.