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115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.

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Handyman said:
She dragged her own name into this...
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She started calling herself Pocahontas 8 or so years back?

her little gotcha moment never proved what she said it did.
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She said she has some distant blood, that like a great-great-gma was part Cherokee. This pretty much places it that far back and says the same thing.
 
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French Rage said:
She started calling herself Pocahontas 8 or so years back?



She said she has some distant blood, that like a great-great-gma was part Cherokee. This pretty much places it that far back and says the same thing.
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She proved exactly what she claimed.

And none of that matters.
 
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Like I said, being technically correct is useless in politics. Largely because it's so easy to paint as being disingenuous.

Does anybody care that Cherokee McCarthy, wasn't actually Cherokee McCarthy himself, but instead it was his wife's brother that made the claims for a company McCarthy and his wife had no stake in? Of course not. Nobody cares. That's generally how politics work, especially in campaign season.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
She never made a tribe claim. And Trump has successfully turned it into that. And you've bought it. And Hatch could claim African American status and I wouldn't even give a ****.
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No I dont buy anything, dont lump me in with any of this crap. I dont care whether she claimed Tribe Status or not. You keep throwing it out there like you have Native Turrets or something. I dont care if she is Native or not. It doesnt matter and it never did. This wasnt a story before (it was a lame joke) and now it is and that isnt because of Trump, and it isnt because of the GOP it is because of her. She got sick of people mocking her and decided she would prove them all wrong. Except she didnt. People like you talked about the pride you have in your heritage and that is great, but that doesnt mean anything in the context of what actually happened. This isnt about pride, this was her trying to score some political points against Trump because he is a bully who makes fun of her. The problem is he doesnt care if you prove him wrong, because the truth doesnt matter. Whether she is Native or not is immaterial. Literally nothing has changed since last week except now she looks like a moron. She isnt any more Native today than she was a year ago and she certainly doesnt have any more pride in it than she did back at Harvard.

The only ones who got snowed here were you all that felt the need to rally to her defense. You all are wasting time and energy on something that doesnt matter taking your eyes off the stuff that does. That is your prerogative I guess but you look exactly like the Right paints you out to be. And so does she.

Keep pretending though, keep fighting. This is the battle worth wasting your time on. This is going to be the thing that turns the country around.
 
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Handyman said:
I saw her speak the other day...something is different about her. I have heard her a dozen times...this time she wasnt just her normal placating self. She was speaking as a leader. (Angie Craig, Tina Smith and Tim Walz also spoke) She was juiced up and I gotta say, I think she is gearing up for something bigger. And for the first time, I think she might actually be in the right place to do it.
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She really comes across as not being insane to almost everyone. Which is a pretty good start in national politics these days.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
Like I said, being technically correct is useless in politics. Largely because it's so easy to paint as being disingenuous.

Does anybody care that Cherokee McCarthy, wasn't actually Cherokee McCarthy himself, but instead it was his wife's brother that made the claims for a company McCarthy and his wife had no stake in? Of course not. Nobody cares. That's generally how politics work, especially in campaign season.
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What claim did Warren make that would make her only "technically" correct as opposed to simply, "correct"? Is it really all about her claim from decades ago that she was an "other" rather than anything she's claimed since then?
 
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Re: 115th Congress the final chapter: And Gerry Mander as the Speaker.

French Rage said:
She started calling herself Pocahontas 8 or so years back?



She said she has some distant blood, that like a great-great-gma was part Cherokee. This pretty much places it that far back and says the same thing.
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No...she is the one that made it worse by trying to prove the joke wrong.

Question, how often was this discussed previous to her putting this out there? Usually it was a one line comment and nothing else. (usually by our moron President) Now she is under siege over it. That isnt because Trump said something, it is because she wanted to get back at him. Well how did that work out for her? Meanwhile the same people who believed she was lying before still do and the Natives didnt even back her.

But please, tell me how she is in a better position now than she was a week ago because of this? She defended herself and it blew up in her face. Now her name is being dragged through more mud and she is the cause of it whether fair or not.
 
SJHovey said:
She's not being vilified for the act of having a DNA test done. Those are great. I enjoy hearing the results from friends who have done that.

She's being vilified for being a phony.

I read an article that mentioned that apparently on some admissions application or something the question regarding race was limited to "white, black, mexican, asian and other." This was back in the 1960's or 1070's, obviously.

She apparently checked "other." I mean, c'mon. Look in a farking mirror. You are 2047/2048 white and you check "other?" You are a phony when you do that. Or you have some real issues.
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If it was the 60's and pre civil rights era, so called "one drop" rules were likely still around.
 
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Handyman said:
Question, how often was this discussed previous to her putting this out there? Usually it was a one line comment and nothing else.
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It was the response literally every time she would try to say something of substance. It got old real quick.
 
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SJHovey said:
I read an article that mentioned that apparently on some admissions application or something the question regarding race was limited to "white, black, mexican, asian and other." This was back in the 1960's or 1070's, obviously.
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Link?
 
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trixR4kids said:
Hatch wouldn't take the bait because their side doesn't get politically out-maneuvered on everything like the dems have for the last 40 years or so.
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See...here is something that actually matters.
 
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unofan said:
If it was the 60's and pre civil rights era, so called "one drop" rules were likely still around.
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Also why does anyone care about what she selected on an application in the 60's (assuming that's even true)?
 
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Also it's BS: https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/elizabeth-warren-native-american-pocahontas/index.html

Did it play a role in her career?
Harvard Law School in the 1990s touted Warren, then a professor in Cambridge, as being "Native American." They singled her out, Warren later acknowledged, because she had listed herself as a minority in an Association of American Law Schools directory. Critics note that she had not done that in her student applications and during her time as a teacher at the University of Texas.
Warren maintains she never furthered her career by using her heritage to gain advantage, and an in-depth investigation by the Boston Globe, published on September 1, found the same.
"At every step of her remarkable rise in the legal profession," the report read, "the people responsible for hiring her saw her as a white woman."
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unofan said:
If it was the 60's and pre civil rights era, so called "one drop" rules were likely still around.
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Does Warren claim that she filled these forms out that way because of the one drop rule? That is something I haven't heard.
 
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SJHovey said:
I think it was this article, although it looks like the application was from 1978.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/opinions/elizabeth-warrens-big-mistake-maltby/index.html
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All I see relevant is this:

How absurd, then, that Warren was ever faced with an option to define herself as anything so simple as either "Native American" or "white." A number of the forms Warren has filled in over the course of her career appear to have had very limited options -- in one case in 1978, Warren rightly described herself as "other" when the only other possibilities available were "black," "Oriental" and "Mexican-American." Demographic forms are getting better at recognizing mixed identities as a range of possible options, but slowly.
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Tells me nothing about what the form was, or what it intended purpose was, or whether it could have been remotely used to help someone get ahead unfairly. I mean, I'm honestly curious what these were; if they were an actual application for law school then that's using it to get ahead and that's one thing; if it's some questionaire for a faculty facebook then that's another. Other stories are much clearer on it not being for an application for any position or the like.
 
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Well, you can kiss my SS and Medicare goodbye.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ames-entitlements-not-gop-for-rising-deficits

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Tuesday blamed rising federal deficits and debt on a bipartisan unwillingness to contain spending on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, and said he sees little chance of a major deficit reduction deal while Republicans control Congress and the White House.

"It’s disappointing but it’s not a Republican problem," McConnell said in an interview with Bloomberg News when asked about the rising deficits and debt. "It’s a bipartisan problem: Unwillingness to address the real drivers of the debt by doing anything to adjust those programs to the demographics of America in the future."
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