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115th Congress: On Permanent Vacation

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aparch said:
So I can't figure out if we've reached the tipping point yet, or if the Dems can correct this mess. I fear even with a best outcome 2020, Dems will just be spinning their wheels to try and fix this mess.

I don't want to just let ol' Dumpy have his way, but can we just hit bottom already? I'm starting to get wore down reading every new way Trump's Grand Old Party is finding to fu** everyone.
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So, you've got a few things benefiting the country. First there's signs that lefties have figured out the virtues of actually voting. While complaining is always nice, it doesn't substitute for getting likeminded candidates elected even if they don't conform to 100% of your wishes. Next, the public wholeheartedly rejected cutting Medicare and Medicaid to pay for tax cuts for billionaires. Finally, much like the ACA debate people seem to be fully aware that the whole tax cut debate is a giant con to give money to Trump campaign contributors and the man himself. Tax cuts used to be popular regardless. Finally people are seeing through all the BS and spin for themselves.

Can't tell you what that means for 2020 as Chump will change his stripes in a minute if he needs to, but for 2018 there's a lot of Gooper reps who voted to raise taxes on their constituents while cutting their health care. Not sure how you run for re-election on that.
 
Rover said:
Oddly enough I don't see how a "Vote Moore for Tax Cuts for the Rich" plays in Alabama. Its sorta the weakest card they can play, far less effective than the "Vote for Moore or dem dar librals are gonna take over" schtick.

Regarding Franken he's on extremely thin ice. Thought he'd survive with the first one because the woman accepted his apology and if it was a one time incident he could play that down. 2nd one gets him into the creeper zone, or at least the George HW Bush award for best old guy still grabbing butts.
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Now it's "Vote for Moore or the Gay Terrorists win."
 
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Handyman said:
My girlfriend was at the Education Minnesota conference this weekend...the amount of debt teachers have now coming out of college (unless they go to State Schools) is unsustainable with the pay they get. It is downright scary...they are going to be paying off their loans until they are retired.

But hey college as a for profit deal is great...
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Why would they go there then? Will they make more money than a state school grad?

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Handyman said:
My girlfriend was at the Education Minnesota conference this weekend...the amount of debt teachers have now coming out of college (unless they go to State Schools) ....
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1. Pick a college based on the career path and pay that career will provide. Want to be a teacher? Pick a low-cost state school. Same for social work. Want to be an engineer? Depending on your area of study a public (like UND) or a private (like RPI) will work. Want to be a private practice lawyer? Find a private school where you can make the right connections. It blows me away when I see kids going to MIAC schools (e.g. Concordia in Moorhead) for $30k a year with majors of elementary ed, or social work, or even nursing. That just won't work fiscally. You've boat-anchored your fiscal life.

2. They talked about something other than "race" and "diversity" at a MDE event*? Really? (Or was it sponsored by Minnesota Dept of Ed?) I thought all MDE could talk about is how Minnesota's educational system is "white privilege" based with "colonialist" values. And before anyone jumps me for that: I saw the PowerPoint slides from the event. Those are quotes. (I have my spies and minions.)


*They probably should as Minnesota has the second largest gap (of the 50 states) between whites and minorities when it comes to reading and math test scores. Again, I've seen the reports. Spies. Minions. However, they're spending a lot of time talking race and not enough time (<-- my biased opinion, it comes mainly from one of my spies) working on putting systems in place that'll impact kids. They're < bleeping > around for a full year "analyzing data" and forming ESSA plans and figuring out which schools to help before actually getting help on the ground, to the schools, from the REAs and Centers of Excellence. That must be what they call ... (wait for it) ... Minnesota Nice.
 
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I highly recommend everyone try to find the MSNBC interview from MTP Daily of Sam Nunberg, former trump aide. It’s brutal.

Wait until the host asks him if he would support Moore if Moore had committed these crimes against his sister
 
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walrus said:
That's my point, so why go there.

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The children don't know to look at the costs and expected salary of their future professions, instead being sold on a school by its charms and amenities. Parents aren't doing their jobs of shepherding their children into adulthood. That's why we're seeing the tuition debt mess we're seeing now.

There are reasons I chose SCSU, a big part of that was it was truly a cheaper option in 1995 than most other schools at $5500/year for tuition, books, other fees, and room and board. I graduated with a student debt figure that looked like a cheap used car's loan.
 
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St. Clown said:
The children don't know to look at the costs and expected salary of their future professions, instead being sold on a school by its charms and amenities. Parents aren't doing their jobs of shepherding their children into adulthood. That's why we're seeing the tuition debt mess we're seeing now.

There are reasons I chose SCSU, a big part of that was it was truly a cheaper option in 1995 than most other schools at $5500/year for tuition, books, other fees, and room and board. I graduated with a student debt figure that looked like a cheap used car's loan.
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My kid went to an expensive private school, he has a ton of debt and he had lots of scholarship money. I think in his case it was worth it. others including Fade don't think so. His skills and knowledge are above others he is competing with in the aeronautical world.
 
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walrus said:
My kid went to an expensive private school, he has a ton of debt and he had lots of scholarship money. I think in his case it was worth it. others including Fade don't think so. His skills and knowledge are above others he is competing with in the aeronautical world.
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I went to college not knowing what I wanted for a degree. Instead of plodding through an expensive school for a degree that may not end up being worth much, I took the risk at a cheap school instead, that was about half the cost of the U of MN at the time.
 
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St. Clown said:
I went to college not knowing what I wanted for a degree. Instead of plodding through an expensive school ...
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< ding ding ding >

Winner!

If you have a plan, an expensive school works. If you're going to college because you're supposed to, go low-cost until you figure it out.
 
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St. Clown said:
I went to college not knowing what I wanted for a degree. Instead of plodding through an expensive school for a degree that may not end up being worth much, I took the risk at a cheap school instead, that was about half the cost of the U of MN at the time.
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I went the cheap route also, probably the only choice I had as I wasn't a great student in High School. I had 0 debt, helped my father was an employee at said school and tuition was about 500 bucks a semester :D Books cost more
 
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And this is why 14 years post college graduation, I’m only now getting my masters. Took me that long to decide what I wanted to do, which makes the cost worth it to me.
I also left a private out of state school after a year in undergrad to transfer to the U of M for in state tuition and saved myself a lot of debt.
 
The Sicatoka said:
< ding ding ding >

Winner!

If you have a plan, an expensive school works. If you're going to college because you're supposed to, go low-cost until you figure it out.
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Based on my own experience I would take it a step further and say that if you're just there because it's what you're supposed to do, anything beyond generals at a cc isn't smart.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
1. Pick a college based on the career path and pay that career will provide. Want to be a teacher? Pick a low-cost state school. Same for social work. Want to be an engineer? Depending on your area of study a public (like UND) or a private (like RPI) will work. Want to be a private practice lawyer? Find a private school where you can make the right connections. It blows me away when I see kids going to MIAC schools (e.g. Concordia in Moorhead) for $30k a year with majors of elementary ed, or social work, or even nursing. That just won't work fiscally. You've boat-anchored your fiscal life.

2. They talked about something other than "race" and "diversity" at a MDE event*? Really? (Or was it sponsored by Minnesota Dept of Ed?) I thought all MDE could talk about is how Minnesota's educational system is "white privilege" based with "colonialist" values. And before anyone jumps me for that: I saw the PowerPoint slides from the event. Those are quotes. (I have my spies and minions.)


*They probably should as Minnesota has the second largest gap (of the 50 states) between whites and minorities when it comes to reading and math test scores. Again, I've seen the reports. Spies. Minions. However, they're spending a lot of time talking race and not enough time (<-- my biased opinion, it comes mainly from one of my spies) working on putting systems in place that'll impact kids. They're < bleeping > around for a full year "analyzing data" and forming ESSA plans and figuring out which schools to help before actually getting help on the ground, to the schools, from the REAs and Centers of Excellence. That must be what they call ... (wait for it) ... Minnesota Nice.
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Nice try...there are no cheap schools anymore. Even the State Schools (where I teach) arent exactly cheap anymore.

And the ridiculous plan the Republicans have that will make school more expensive along with their tax cut stupidity that will waive the student loan interest write off will make it better. The Right is going to make this country so indebted and and stupid it boggles the mind.
 
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walrus said:
That's my point, so why go there.

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There are advantages but not as many as you would think. But also remember not everyone knows what they are going to do when they go to college so they might already be pot committed ya know.

There is zero excuse for the rates colleges charge now. The Republican Wet Dream of for profit college is killing education at all levels.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
And this is why 14 years post college graduation, I’m only now getting my masters. Took me that long to decide what I wanted to do, which makes the cost worth it to me.
I also left a private out of state school after a year in undergrad to transfer to the U of M for in state tuition and saved myself a lot of debt.
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Nowadays you wouldnt save much. Tuition at the U is ridiculous :eek:
 
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