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115th Congress. In Bridge, Can Hearts be Trumped? In Spades!

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This begs the question, why are Dems wasting money on going for upsets in Republican strongholds, when they should be shoring up their existing districts up for grabs in 2018, and rebuilding for 2020?

Let the AHCA pass and skullfck the rural Trump voters. They've earned it.
 
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The Liberals need the ACHA to pass and people to get mad or the House stays Red in 2018 is my guess.

This is probably the kick the GOP needs to pass the AHCA. Ryan will also bring privatizing SS again. He really believes in that.

We could be seeing a realignment, with the white poor moving permanently into the plute column, driven there by Fear of a Black or Muslim or Something Scary Planet. That would leave the middle class and everyone of color against the two white economic tails. A fair match right now, but demographic death for the GOP within a generation.

One thing this could do is cause the Dems to start focusing on the middle class rather than the lower class, assuming the academic conveyor belt that has excreted Dems out into the political class for the last two generations can even conceive of this. There is no longer a "working" class, only a permanently benighted serfdom all but owned by the plutes they worship. They're never coming back to the left, as there will be no revival of a "labor" movement as physical labor devolves upon machinery -- a morally acceptable slave caste.
 
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Sorry I dont buy it bodes well...the Times was trying to play that card and it rings hollow. I dont think the Anti-Trump kick is going to work as well as some of the Libs believe it will.

The Liberals need the ACHA to pass and people to get mad or the House stays Red in 2018 is my guess.

I agree. Ossoff losing in of itself isn't surprising the grand scheme of things but he lost to 1) a crappy opponent, 2) lost ground in the runoff vs the 1st round which is somewhat inexplicable, and 3) as of right now lost by 5 times as much as Clinton did in the 2016 election. Too much is being made of "oh, Dems narrowed the % vs the last congressional election" which is a nonsensical comparison if the previous election had a long time incumbent running. Open seats are where 8you make up ground if you're in the minority. Ossoff ran a good campaign by all accounts I've read. It seems to me once again, Republicans showed up when the seat looked to be on the line, and Dems didn't. I base that on Handel getting 53% of the vote to Trump's 48%.
 
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This begs the question, why are Dems wasting money on going for upsets in Republican strongholds, when they should be shoring up their existing districts up for grabs in 2018, and rebuilding for 2020?

Let the AHCA pass and skullfck the rural Trump voters. They've earned it.

They aren't wasting their money. Political donations are about momentum. The better you show, the more you pull in the next cycle.

This has been weird because both sides have maximal donation prospects in 2018. The Dems are close to taking the House and permanently hobbling Trump. The GOP is close to their dream of destroying not just the Great Society but the New Deal, and forcing America back into the clutches of a predatory oligarchy with zero moral restraint or intellectual imagination.

Every competitive district in 2018 is going to look like GA-5,with spending going insane. But again, with the degeneration of our democracy into a pure bribery marketplace, the money available is effectively infinite. We just had a $100M House race. In 2018 we will have ten of them, and god knows what the Senate races will be like.
 
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They're never coming back to the left, as there will be no revival of a "labor" movement as physical labor devolves upon machinery

I never even thought about it like that. This should be sent to every Democrat in both houses.
 
This is probably the kick the GOP needs to pass the AHCA. Ryan will also bring privatizing SS again. He really believes in that.

We could be seeing a realignment, with the white poor moving permanently into the plute column, driven there by Fear of a Black or Muslim or Something Scary Planet. That would leave the middle class and everyone of color against the two white economic tails. A fair match right now, but demographic death for the GOP within a generation.

One thing this could do is cause the Dems to start focusing on the middle class rather than the lower class, assuming the academic conveyor belt that has excreted Dems out into the political class for the last two generations can even conceive of this. There is no longer a "working" class, only a permanently benighted serfdom all but owned by the plutes they worship. They're never coming back to the left, as there will be no revival of a "labor" movement as physical labor devolves upon machinery -- a morally acceptable slave caste.

Kep

What Middle Class? We're being squeezed into oblivion by flat wages and rising costs. The oligarchs want us to be poor so they can have sheep schlepping at whatever they put in the troth.

Your academic conveyor belt is turning out the wrong product. This current group is weak and needs to be made of stronger stuff.

The system needs to go. It will be ugly and violent to get there, but either we win or the oligarchs do. I shudder at the latter.
 
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Well Joe, I'll be honest. You can believe in that or you can continue to vote for republicans.

They sold their souls to the golden calf and the bucket-o-dubloons long, long ago.
 
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We just had a $100M House race. In 2018 we will have ten of them, and god knows what the Senate races will be like.
Where is the Dems share of that money coming from? I'd guess the same place the Repubs share is coming from. I see no saints here
 
This begs the question, why are Dems wasting money on going for upsets in Republican strongholds, when they should be shoring up their existing districts up for grabs in 2018, and rebuilding for 2020?

Let the AHCA pass and skullfck the rural Trump voters. They've earned it.
Ding ding ding.
 
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This begs the question, why are Dems wasting money on going for upsets in Republican strongholds, when they should be shoring up their existing districts up for grabs in 2018, and rebuilding for 2020?

Let the AHCA pass and skullfck the rural Trump voters. They've earned it.

This. Let them have what they want. The Blue States wont suffer nearly as much and can take steps to alleviate it anyways. Let the Red States live with what they wanted.
 
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When Dems campaign, they're too caught up in the notion of bipartisanship. The old "I'll work with the GOP on blah blah blah". Ever hear Republicans say that when they're campaigning? No, you don't. Much like trusting the national media, all Dems from Obama to Hillary to people running for school board all have the outdated idea in their heads that voters reward candidates who pledge to find common ground with the other side. They don't. Voters may say that, but they don't actually vote that way.

Ossoff run a good race but he could have run a better one by attacking the entire Republican party as a corrupt enterprise akin to a cult which is only dedicated to giving tax cuts to the rich. Tar the entire brand. Running against Trump is fine (which Ossoff didn't do) but Trump stink needs to extend to the entire party. How is Paul Ryan not the most vilified man in America? Maybe because Dems don't try to hang him with his own words and budget proposals? He should be thought of in the same breath as his mentor and a predecessor as Speaker of the House, the child molesting monster Dennis Hastert. Instead we're still hearing about Nancy Pelosi, a person who hasn't held that office since Jan of 2011. :rolleyes:

The campaign against Handel was fine but not tying her into a larger meme was a mistake. One I'd suggest Dems learn from quickly. This is why I hated to see the DNC chairmanship go to anybody aside from Howard Dean. He got this better than anybody else.
 
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When Dems campaign, they're too caught up in the notion of bipartisanship. The old "I'll work with the GOP on blah blah blah". Ever hear Republicans say that when they're campaigning? No, you don't. Much like trusting the national media, all Dems from Obama to Hillary to people running for school board all have the outdated idea in their heads that voters reward candidates who pledge to find common ground with the other side. They don't. Voters may say that, but they don't actually vote that way.

Ossoff run a good race but he could have run a better one by attacking the entire Republican party as a corrupt enterprise akin to a cult which is only dedicated to giving tax cuts to the rich. Tar the entire brand. Running against Trump is fine (which Ossoff didn't do) but Trump stink needs to extend to the entire party. How is Paul Ryan not the most vilified man in America? Maybe because Dems don't try to hang him with his own words and budget proposals? He should be thought of in the same breath as his mentor and a predecessor as Speaker of the House, the child molesting monster Dennis Hastert. Instead we're still hearing about Nancy Pelosi, a person who hasn't held that office since Jan of 2011. :rolleyes:

The campaign against Handel was fine but not tying her into a larger meme was a mistake. One I'd suggest Dems learn from quickly. This is why I hated to see the DNC chairmanship go to anybody aside from Howard Dean. He got this better than anybody else.

I think it's worse than that.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Democrats would do much better as a party if they got together with Republicans on Healthcare,Tax Cuts,Security. Obstruction doesn't work!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/877474368661618688">June 21, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Republicans have found a way to have their cake and eat it too. No way Democrats are obstructionists now when compared to Turtle Boy and Bone Man vs. Obama. But, somehow that is the narrative. It's almost unbelievable how ****ing stupid the electorate is.
 
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Where is the Dems share of that money coming from? I'd guess the same place the Repubs share is coming from. I see no saints here

The Evil side takes the bribes due to greed. The Good side takes the bribes due to principle.
 
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Kep

What Middle Class? We're being squeezed into oblivion by flat wages and rising costs. The oligarchs want us to be poor so they can have sheep schlepping at whatever they put in the troth.

Your academic conveyor belt is turning out the wrong product. This current group is weak and needs to be made of stronger stuff.

The system needs to go. It will be ugly and violent to get there, but either we win or the oligarchs do. I shudder at the latter.

I agree 100%.
 
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Where is the Dems share of that money coming from? I'd guess the same place the Repubs share is coming from. I see no saints here

I agree with this to a point. Though there is a difference, in my mind, between the wealthy who donate to a cause for idealistic reasons and the wealthy who invest in politicians who will turn around and deliver an ROI. The former donate to both parties -- there actually are sincere and intellectually motivated conservatives, although by god with the current GOP I think they are fooling themselves. The latter, however, are a Republican group right now.
 
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I agree with this to a point. Though there is a difference, in my mind, between the wealthy who donate to a cause for idealistic reasons and the wealthy who invest in politicians who will turn around and deliver an ROI. The former donate to both parties -- there actually are sincere and intellectually motivated conservatives, although by god with the current GOP I think they are fooling themselves. The latter, however, are a Republican group right now.
or stated another way
The Evil side takes the bribes due to greed. The Good side takes the bribes due to principle.
 
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The Evil side takes the bribes due to greed. The Good side takes the bribes due to principle.

It doesn't matter how much you raise, nor the justification behind your "bribes". If your message is obstruction, you aren't going to win. You might want to learn from the Republican party during the Obama days, and possibly even his campaigns, because the playbooks are exactly switched.
 
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Yes, of course. Obstruction doesn't work. That's why Turtle Boy is in charge of the Senate now. He never obstructed anything.
 
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Yes, of course. Obstruction doesn't work. That's why Turtle Boy is in charge of the Senate now. He never obstructed anything.

And why Justice Garland will help shape the Court for 20 years.
 
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