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0 Days Since Last Shooting: Reset The Calendar Again

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BassAle said:
Both my parents were teachers. My sister is a teacher. The idea of arming them is ridiculous. They wanted to be teachers, not law enforcement.

Second, you already have trained police officers shooting unarmed people. It would only be a matter of time before some trigger happy gun nut teacher kills some kid without cause.
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That is why I said "on their own." I would not require nor prohibit an armed teacher, and this also goes along with the stricter requirements I've mentioned in the past of owning a gun.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
This country is just sick.
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Also heard that it is likely that the House will push for the conceal carry across state lines as a rider/amendment to any new background check legislation. Which is right now the only bipartisan bill that anyone thinks has any chance of passing.
 
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An armed teacher in an active shooter environment is likely getting shot and killed by the cops responding to the 911 call. The cops are going to shoot at any armed person.
 
bronconick said:
An armed teacher in an active shooter environment is likely getting shot and killed by the cops responding to the 911 call. The cops are going to shoot at any armed person.
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Should there be armed cops in every school in lieu of armed teachers?

The only weapon a teacher should have is the eraser.
 
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We've had officers in our schools in MN for 20+ years. I have zero issue with their being a liaison officer in schools
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
We've had officers in our schools in MN for 20+ years. I have zero issue with their being a liaison officer in schools
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we've had school resource officers in schools we've sent our son to. His current school does not have a full time resource officer. I have heard some negative consequences with having police in schools -- basically disciplinary actions are more likely to have legal consequences. By putting officers in schools, you greatly increase the chance that a kid is going to end up with some kind of legal record before they graduate. This is especially a problem for minority students. For some inner city schools, we've created a school-to-prison pipeline. Some suburban white kid might have to go see the school counselor for a behavior problem, while the poor black inner city kid ends up being arrested.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I didn't ignore it.
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If you allow teachers to carry guns in school, some kid WILL get shot without cause. It's guaranteed to happen. It's probably going to happen more often to minority students in 'troubled schools'. It's not enough for unarmed black people to fear getting shot by the police. Now they will have to fear getting shot at school.

By the way, why does it seam like the kind of people that carry a concealed weapon are precisely the people you _don't_ want having them? I wouldn't trust any teacher that felt the need to bring a gun into the classroom. It seems to me, the kind of people that feel the need to carry a gun at all times are living with an irrational fear and/or are delusional. These are the kind of trigger happy people that will escalate situations with disastrous consequences.
 
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BassAle said:
we've had school resource officers in schools we've sent our son to. His current school does not have a full time resource officer. I have heard some negative consequences with having police in schools -- basically disciplinary actions are more likely to have legal consequences. By putting officers in schools, you greatly increase the chance that a kid is going to end up with some kind of legal record before they graduate. This is especially a problem for minority students. For some inner city schools, we've created a school-to-prison pipeline. Some suburban white kid might have to go see the school counselor for a behavior problem, while the poor black inner city kid ends up being arrested.
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This makes me sad, cause it's true. I would think there has to be process fixes for things like this but it takes hard work and conscience effort. Something sorely lacking in our world.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">62% of Americans say President Trump is not doing enough to prevent mass shootings and 77% say Congress is doing an inadequate job on the issue, according to a new poll <a href="https://t.co/5r4BICe6R5">https://t.co/5r4BICe6R5</a> <a href="https://t.co/5elSv3MwyL">pic.twitter.com/5elSv3MwyL</a></p>— CNN (@CNN) <a href="https://twitter.com/CNN/status/965985198054805504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ONE LESS: Scott Pappalardo owned his AR-15 rifle for more than 30 years. He even has a Second Amendment tattoo on his arm. This weekend, he destroyed his gun “to make sure this weapon will be ever be able to take a life.” <a href="https://t.co/M8nu4XyuZr">https://t.co/M8nu4XyuZr</a> <a href="https://t.co/T6YGVxAYDR">pic.twitter.com/T6YGVxAYDR</a></p>— ABC News (@ABC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ABC/status/965710028702453760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Handyman said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ONE LESS: Scott Pappalardo owned his AR-15 rifle for more than 30 years. He even has a Second Amendment tattoo on his arm. This weekend, he destroyed his gun “to make sure this weapon will be ever be able to take a life.” <a href="https://t.co/M8nu4XyuZr">https://t.co/M8nu4XyuZr</a> <a href="https://t.co/T6YGVxAYDR">pic.twitter.com/T6YGVxAYDR</a></p>— ABC News (@ABC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ABC/status/965710028702453760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I admire him for what he did. I just wish I believed it would make a difference.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I admire him for what he did. I just wish I believed it would make a difference.
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This guy deserves our admiration. It ain't easy to change a long-held belief--for themguys or usguys.
 
BassAle said:
we've had school resource officers in schools we've sent our son to. His current school does not have a full time resource officer. I have heard some negative consequences with having police in schools -- basically disciplinary actions are more likely to have legal consequences. By putting officers in schools, you greatly increase the chance that a kid is going to end up with some kind of legal record before they graduate. This is especially a problem for minority students. For some inner city schools, we've created a school-to-prison pipeline. Some suburban white kid might have to go see the school counselor for a behavior problem, while the poor black inner city kid ends up being arrested.
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So the fault is the cop in the school and not the misbehaving kid?
 
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joecct said:
So the fault is the cop in the school and not the misbehaving kid?
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it's the fault of the system for thinking that school discipline needs to be a criminal matter. But your kids were white and middle class, so they had nothing to worry about anyway. Those brown kids deserve to live their life in incarceration, so we might as well start them down that road while they are still in school.
 
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