0 Days Since Last Shooting: Keep The Calendar At Zero

[ScoobyDoo]

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Fade laid it out in a detailed manner earlier in the thread. Again, short of a full military/police state action, it's not feasible/sustainable. It's just not.

I think we are all closer to agreement on the "new gun control" terms, it's just a couple little details that are different.

I don't give a ****.

This isn't happening in Europe. And, they have Health Care.

Eventually the police are going to get sick and tired. Then it will change. The good guy with the gun and the armed guard argument doesn't work anymore.

 

[The Rube]

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I don't give a ****.

This isn't happening in Europe. And, they have Health Care.

Eventually the police are going to get sick and tired. Then it will change. The good guy with the gun and the armed guard argument doesn't work anymore.

And we have all mentioned ad nauseum that the US has a completely different attitude towards guns in general, which is really sad.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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And we have all mentioned ad nauseum that the US has a completely different attitude towards guns in general, which is really sad.

No.

A small minority of people in the US have a different attitude. And those people, as documented, have found a way to stack the Courts, and gather power in Washington to corrupt the process and prevent the will of the people from happening.

Same thing with Health Care.

Same thing with the Military.

Same thing with trickle down.

And this country is going to go the way Rome did if it doesn't wake the **** up.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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No.

A small minority of people in the US have a different attitude. And those people, as documented, have found a way to stack the Courts, and gather power in Washington to corrupt the process and prevent the will of the people from happening.

Same thing with Health Care.

Same thing with the Military.

Same thing with trickle down.

And this country is going to go the way Rome did if it doesn't wake the **** up.

I think you underestimate the problem by saying it is a small number. While likely a minority, it isn't a small number of people. We made the mistake of assuming in 2016 it was a small number of old white guys who supported trump. If it truly was just 1 or 2% of the population that thought all we need to do is continue to send thoughts and prayers, this wouldn't be happening so often.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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I think a good place to begin the change we need to see is finding a way to get physicians and their lobbying groups to begin to really take the issue on in a very political way. Yes, political. The time to reflect and offer thoughts and prayers ended years ago. We need to point fingers, assign blame and seek political solutions to this problem. The next thing we need to do is allow the CDC full autonomy and the necessary funding to begin to look at gun violence as an issue the same way we have them look at AIDS and Ebola and anything else that can kill people indiscriminately. Lobbying by physician's organizations might make this a reality. Finally, street cops can convince their FOP locals (or any other union they may fall under) that addressing access to weapons that make rapid killing an easy task for anyone with a finger is much more important than lobbying to have incompetent cops put back on patrol.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I think a good place to begin the change we need to see is finding a way to get physicians and their lobbying groups to begin to really take the issue on in a very political way. Yes, political. The time to reflect and offer thoughts and prayers ended years ago. We need to point fingers, assign blame and seek political solutions to this problem. The next thing we need to do is allow the CDC full autonomy and the necessary funding to begin to look at gun violence as an issue the same way we have them look at AIDS and Ebola and anything else that can kill people indiscriminately. Lobbying by physician's organizations might make this a reality. Finally, street cops can convince their FOP locals (or any other union they may fall under) that addressing access to weapons that make rapid killing an easy task for anyone with a finger is much more important than lobbying to have incompetent cops put back on patrol.

The predominant gun safety organization in the United States just vilified doctors for even bringing the subject up. I do not understand how these people can be mad or upset at liberals for saying they don't deserve their toys. They deserve to have them taken away. When safety, and common sense laws are the last things on the NRA and gun owners minds.

They care about neither.

If they cared they would be active in the political arena on fixing this **** so they can keep their toys. Instead their answer to the problem the last 10 years is conceal and carry and armed guards in elementary schools.

Rome is burning.

 

[rufus]

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It's because the NRA has evolved itself into the marketing arm of the weapons sellers.

 

[The Rube]

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It's because the NRA has evolved itself into the marketing arm of the weapons sellers.

Completely agree.

I also think that the majority of responsible gun owners (my opinion, and my opinion only) cannot stand the NRA because of their current status/stance. The NRA does more harm to responsible gun owners, as some lump ALL gun owners into the NRA camp, which is simply not true.

 

[Drew S.]

No one in this thread seems to be acknowledging the real motivation here. Until the NRA pimped themselves out to the gun manufacturers they were a safety organization, ran classes and espoused responsible gun ownership. Then they figured out it was much more effective/lucrative to promote fear and catastrophic theories. What has been the end result with them changing tune? When I was a kid people took guns for granted when they were a part of their lives (hunting, target shooting) but very few people ignorant of guns would have been racing out to buy one for protection. Now we have a bunch of ignoramuses owning guns because they have to protect themselves and their loved ones from a manufactured boogey man. They have so convinced people this is reality it has become one. Before the biggest death from gun violence was related to accidental (read improperly handled weapons) death. Now?

And the other side hasn’t changed? The NRA deserves some blame, but Bloomberg and the other anti-gunners are just as much if not more radical. Myself and other gun owners would like to see some things changed, the problem is that once that happens Bloomberg and co will be pushing for more extreme measures until guns are effectively banned. Like a lot of other issues there are too many extremists and the country suffers.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Completely agree.

I also think that the majority of responsible gun owners (my opinion, and my opinion only) cannot stand the NRA because of their current status/stance. The NRA does more harm to responsible gun owners, as some lump ALL gun owners into the NRA camp, which is simply not true.

I don't believe you.

If they truly wanted to speak out against the NRA they would have started a new Gun Safety organization to compete with it. Instead I hear *crickets*.

The fact is the majority of gun owners horded guns when Obama was in office because they believed Fox News when it told them he was coming door to door to take them away. And, the majority of gun owners believe they can save themselves from a mad man with an AR-15 if the have their gun with them. A thought that can be proven ridiculous over and over and over again.

 

[The Rube]

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Fine, don't believe me. Even if I presented a full demonstration of facts and data, and polls of people, I doubt you'd believe me anyway.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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And the other side hasn’t changed? The NRA deserves some blame, but Bloomberg and the other anti-gunners are just as much if not more radical. Myself and other gun owners would like to see some things changed, the problem is that once that happens Bloomberg and co will be pushing for more extreme measures until guns are effectively banned. Like a lot of other issues there are too many extremists and the country suffers.

There are always extremists on both sides. That is irrelevant. You not doing anything because you're afraid of extremists means that you don't really want to do anything. Keep thinking that your gun is going to save you when an AR-15 is spraying bullets at you.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Fine, don't believe me. Even if I presented a full demonstration of facts and data, and polls of people, I doubt you'd believe me anyway.

You have no data. The NRA will not allow the country to study the topic so that data can be made available.. Your anecdotal information is pointless, worthless, and frankly insulting.

 

[The Rube]

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There are always extremists on both sides. That is irrelevant. You not doing anything because you're afraid of extremists means that you don't really want to do anything. Keep thinking that your gun is going to save you when an AR-15 is spraying bullets at you.

^^^^^

The SENSIBLE people want to do SOMETHING. You are correct in the extremists statement. Each side has to give a little to make things better.

 

[The Rube]

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You have no data. The NRA will not allow the country to study the topic so that data can be made available.. Your anecdotal information is pointless, worthless, and frankly insulting.

The simple dismissal of anything that you don't agree with is also insulting.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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The simple dismissal of anything that you don't agree with is also insulting.

Show me the study.

 

[The Rube]

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Show me the study.

You missed the part when I said it was my opinion only. And also you missed "even IF" part, which implies there is no official study. Try reading the full post for once. Finally, how about you start up a new gun organization? If you want one that bad, then start a grassroots campaign.

 

[trixR4kids]

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I could show facts and figures but you wouldn’t believe them!

(*doesnt show facts or figures)

 

[The Rube]

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I could show facts and figures but you wouldn’t believe them!

(*doesnt show facts or figures)

You didn't understand the context, either, apparently. It's called a hypothetical situation.

 

[St. Clown]

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You can own your hunting rifle. Just no semi-autos will be for sale anymore. We're going to purge them from the system. For handguns a revolver will be ok.

This might be a rather limited situation by most accounts, but my problem with the a rule regarding no semi-auto pistols is a guy I know who was hunting in northern MN. He has a few stories regarding how he shot a deer and now wolves are keying in on his and others' locations. He had to shoot one that was trying to jump up to him while he was in his tree stand, using his sidearm. It took three shots at close range because he was scared.