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0 Days Since Last Shooting: Keep The Calendar At Zero

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aparch said:
Apparently I missed this last night:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tonight, the LA Kings and Minnesota Wild share in the goal to amplify the message that acts of this nature cannot be accepted in our world. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENOUGH?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENOUGH</a> <a href="https://t.co/XDErFFA8Ct">pic.twitter.com/XDErFFA8Ct</a></p>— LA Kings (@LAKings) <a href="https://twitter.com/LAKings/status/1060749446051315712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2018</a></blockquote>
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A fitting and worthy observance.

Am I the only one who thought it would have been nice if the announcer had set his PA voice aside for the moment.
 
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Drew S. said:
Did he not have a documented history of mental illness?
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No, he didn't. He had one evaluation for possible PTSD, and was determined not to be a threat to himself or others. No follow-ups, no referrals to a therapist, nothing but left to his own devices to deal.
 
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Brenthoven said:
My notes in B/U.
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If the American Revolutionaries were this weak willed we'd have sane gun control laws right now living under British rule. Just because something will be hard doesn't mean it wouldn't be worth it. Quitters never win.
 
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jerphisch said:
If the American Revolutionaries were this weak willed we'd have sane gun control laws right now living under British rule. Just because something will be hard doesn't mean it wouldn't be worth it. Quitters never win.
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I hope some day and I hope its soon. That there is a societal realization that just asking the gun supporters nicely to raise the age at which you can buy a select class of weapons from 18 to 19 is not enough. That closing a few background check loopholes is not enough. There needs to be a sea change in how guns are perceived - as in not a solution for confrontation or revenge for a fragile ego.

The only way to get there is get them off the streets. Get rid of conceal and carry.
 
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5mn_Major said:
I hope some day and I hope its soon. That there is a societal realization that just asking the gun supporters nicely to raise the age at which you can buy a select class of weapons from 18 to 19 is not enough. That closing a few background check loopholes is not enough. There needs to be a sea change in how guns are perceived - as in not a solution for confrontation or revenge for a fragile ego.

The only way to get there is get them off the streets. Get rid of conceal and carry.
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Or give every 5 year old a weapon at school and train them how to shoot center mass at an earlier age.
 
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St. Clown said:
"...The largest death toll from an attack in the last 12 days."

Let that line sink in with you for a moment.
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“Survivor of the nation’s worst mass shooting dies in most recent mass shooting”
 
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aparch said:
It's so weird to see the NRA so balls to the wall hellbent on not giving a sh**. You would think they would want to promote mental health initiatives in the name of gun safety.

You would think promoting firearms as safe outdoor leisure (trap/target) or for recreational use (hunting) for healthy, responsible Americans would be their mission to increase membership and awareness.

Not coked-out bleating "(((Their))) comin' fer yer GUNZ!"
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No one in this thread seems to be acknowledging the real motivation here. Until the NRA pimped themselves out to the gun manufacturers they were a safety organization, ran classes and espoused responsible gun ownership. Then they figured out it was much more effective/lucrative to promote fear and catastrophic theories. What has been the end result with them changing tune? When I was a kid people took guns for granted when they were a part of their lives (hunting, target shooting) but very few people ignorant of guns would have been racing out to buy one for protection. Now we have a bunch of ignoramuses owning guns because they have to protect themselves and their loved ones from a manufactured boogey man. They have so convinced people this is reality it has become one. Before the biggest death from gun violence was related to accidental (read improperly handled weapons) death. Now?
 
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unofan said:
Keeping in mind you are on one of the sides...
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And which side is that? The "not BANZ ALL THE GUNZ" side? That would be correct. The "need to enforce laws we have (and close loopholes)" side? Also correct. Add 1-2 more big-time limits on who can own a gun? Also correct.
 
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Brenthoven said:
And which side is that? The "not BANZ ALL THE GUNZ" side? That would be correct. The "need to enforce laws we have (and close loopholes)" side? Also correct. Add 1-2 more big-time limits on who can own a gun? Also correct.
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You can own your hunting rifle. Just no semi-autos will be for sale anymore. We're going to purge them from the system. For handguns a revolver will be ok.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
You can own your hunting rifle. Just no semi-autos will be for sale anymore. We're going to purge them from the system. For handguns a revolver will be ok.
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Good luck with that for the many reasons stated by quite a few people on here (who have represented all sides of the gun issue).
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
You can own your hunting rifle. Just no semi-autos will be for sale anymore. We're going to purge them from the system. For handguns a revolver will be ok.
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Won't happen in the next 25 years without a huge sea change in the attitudes of those protecting the gun manufacturers.

Perhaps that change will come from law enforcement. In Pittsburgh and in Thousand Oaks cops rushed in immediately and tried to do what they could to stop the shooters. One was killed in Thousand Oaks and a number were wounded in Pittsburgh, including one very seriously injured.

What this proves is even highly trained good guys with guns can't prevent massive casualties and sometimes will give their lives in the attempt. If law enforcement officers take up the cause of sane, effective gun control even reluctant politicians may need to finally offer more than thoughts and prayers.

Sadly though the carnage will need to continue and many, many more cops will probably die before even this happens. The shooters will learn that from one corner of the country to the other, cops are being instructed to engage immediately in a mass shooting incident, and we are seeing them do just that more and more. So the shooters are going to prepare for this and to be sure, at one of these incidents the number of officers killed is going to alarm even the most ardent opponents of sane and effective gun control.

The officer in Thousand Oaks was a near-30 year veteran of law enforcement, working for an agency with extremely high standards and extensive training. I can't imagine a more effective good guy with a gun. He saved lives but paid for our stupidity with his.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Good luck with that for the many reasons stated by quite a few people on here (who have represented all sides of the gun issue).
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Typical American. Give up in the face of long odds. It's why I've gone from proud of my country to ashamed to live here.
 
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unofan said:
Keeping in mind you are on one of the sides...
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Brent doesn't take sides. He's a "centrist"

Brent's way above all that partisan crap that the rest of us losers engage in. Brent's all superior-like.

Brent's the smartest guy in the room. Just ask him. Why the rest of you clowns can't see that is because of your partisan blinders.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Typical American. Give up in the face of long odds. It's why I've gone from proud of my country to ashamed to live here.
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Fade laid it out in a detailed manner earlier in the thread. Again, short of a full military/police state action, it's not feasible/sustainable. It's just not.

I think we are all closer to agreement on the "new gun control" terms, it's just a couple little details that are different.
 
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