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0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

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St. Clown said:
If you really want to make gun owners responsible, state that should any murder be committed with a weapon by a person having the same legal residence as the registered gun owner, that the registered gun owner can be held accountable for aiding and abetting in the homicide(s), unless that weapon is reported stolen to the police at least 48 hours prior its commission in the crime. You will find a lot of gun owners become much better caretakers of the weapons in their possession.
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We don't do that in this country (condemn everyone near the accused and burn them all at the stake, i.e. Community Crime) unless it's the poors, the blacks, or the Muzzies.

IIRC when a resistance sniper would take out a German soldier the Nazis would burn the whole occupied town in retribution because, hey, if they didn't give him up they were all guilty. Every army in history has done this when going house to house, and in fact war is this principle writ large: because you live on this spot I get to murder you and the Pope sez it's FINE!!! :-)
 
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St. Clown said:
If you really want to make gun owners responsible, state that should any murder be committed with a weapon by a person having the same legal residence as the registered gun owner, that the registered gun owner can be held accountable for aiding and abetting in the homicide(s), unless that weapon is reported stolen to the police at least 48 hours prior its commission in the crime. You will find a lot of gun owners become much better caretakers of the weapons in their possession.
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Make the robbery victims responsible instead of the murderers, makes a lot of sense. If the cops know that a gun is stolen what can they do to prevent someone from using it in a crime?
 
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Drew S. said:
Make the robbery victims responsible instead of the murderers, makes a lot of sense. If the cops know that a gun is stolen what can they do to prevent someone from using it in a crime?
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If the gun is reported stolen, it absolves the registered gun owner. If it's not reported stolen, then they're not careful enough with their weapons around their children.

The insurance of the car's owner travels with the car. If Jr. takes the car without permission, mommy and daddy are still on the hook, along with their State Farm account, for the damages that might be incurred.

If people really want to take the gun/car analogy to its end, let's really do it. The gun owner's responsibility travels with the gun, unless it's reported stolen.
 
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Drew S. said:
We did it to White working class in 1692. It didn’t turn out very well.
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The witch trials were the result of "economic anxiety." Deplorables in all ages reach for the matches. I have no doubt if the market crashes the Dumpies will start burning people to ward off evil spirits.

In a series of papers on the causes of civil war, Collier and Hoeffler (2000,
2002) have demonstrated that poor economic conditions are generally associated
with an increased chance of civil conflict. There are several possible explanations
for the phenomenon. The most consistent with the work presented here is that
citizens blame other ethnic groups for deterioration in economic conditions.
(Moreover, “other ethnic groups” in this case may well mean the government, given
that political coalitions often form along ethnic lines.) However, Collier and
Hoeffler argue that there are other major contributing factors that are not as
consistent with a scapegoating hypothesis—for example, rebels have fewer outside
labor market opportunities when the economy is slumping.

A final paper to mention in this discussion is the analysis by Miguel (2003) of
the relationship between witch killings and weather patterns in modern Tanzania.
Unlike in medieval Europe, where witch killings were quite common and not within
family, a Tanzanian village sees one witch killing approximately every five years, and
the victims are generally the oldest woman in the household, killed by her own
family members. Miguel finds that in years when there is extreme rainfall (either
too little or too much) the number of witch murders is significantly increased:
moving from normal to severe rainfall in either direction increases the number of
witch killings by 0.085. Miguel argues that in Tanzania, the killings may reflect an
elimination of the least productive household member in the face of food shortages.
Although this argument is somewhat different than the scapegoating argument
presented here, they are by no means mutually exclusive. If medieval communities
felt responsible for feeding the poor older women in the village, then they
may have had particular impulse to increase accusations of witchcraft during
difficult times.
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St. Clown said:
If the gun is reported stolen, it absolves the registered gun owner. If it's not reported stolen, then they're not careful enough with their weapons around their children.

The insurance of the car's owner travels with the car. If Jr. takes the car without permission, mommy and daddy are still on the hook, along with their State Farm account, for the damages that might be incurred.

If people really want to take the gun/car analogy to its end, let's really do it. The gun owner's responsibility travels with the gun, unless it's reported stolen.
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You didn’t answer the question...if the police know a specific gun is stolen what can they do to prevent it from being used in a crime?

The car example doesn’t work in your scenario. If jr took the car and ran over someone with the intern to kill I doubt insurance would cover it. Jr taking the car is a lot different than some random person breaking into your house and stealing stuff too.
 
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Drew S. said:
Make the robbery victims responsible instead of the murderers, makes a lot of sense. If the cops know that a gun is stolen what can they do to prevent someone from using it in a crime?
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no dummy, the owner isn't responsible if it's stolen, they are responsible if their kid takes their gun and shoots up a school.
 
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Drew S. said:
You didn’t answer the question...if the police know a specific gun is stolen what can they do to prevent it from being used in a crime?

The car example doesn’t work in your scenario. If jr took the car and ran over someone with the intern to kill I doubt insurance would cover it. Jr taking the car is a lot different than some random person breaking into your house and stealing stuff too.
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The wording I used pertains to a family member (or lodger) using a gun from the house in the commission of the crime, not some random stranger who's broken into a house and stolen the gun. You're changing the situation because you're not fully reading the post.
 
St. Clown said:
The wording I used pertains to a family member (or lodger) using a gun from the house in the commission of the crime, not some random stranger who's broken into a house and stolen the gun. You're changing the situation because you're not fully reading the post.
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Ah, I see what you’re saying. It’s not the worst idea in the world but I’m not sure how many deaths it would prevent. Is locking the parents up after the fact a good use of resources? One thing that makes it tough to prevent kids from getting at things is they basically have all your info.
 
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It's the "threat" of locking them up, dumbass.

Lots of history of behavior being influenced if there are repercussions to be had for doing it.
 
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Drew S. said:
Ah, I see what you’re saying. It’s not the worst idea in the world but I’m not sure how many deaths it would prevent. Is locking the parents up after the fact a good use of resources? One thing that makes it tough to prevent kids from getting at things is they basically have all your info.
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Then you do not deserve to own a gun. Period.
 
rufus said:
It's the "threat" of locking them up, dumbass.

Lots of history of behavior being influenced if there are repercussions to be had for doing it.
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A good way to encourage more people to have kids, make the parents responsible for their behavior. I don’t have kids yet so perhaps I’m mistaken, but I think I would worry much more about my kids killing a bunch of other kids and potentially themselves than I would be to go to jail.
 
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rufus said:
Car backfiring in the parking lot, and half the herd is eliminated.
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It's why I don't want guns banned. I want them to bring their guns to school, church, parties, child support hearings, marriage counseling, ...

For, sniff, freedom.
 
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Drew S. said:
Ah, I see what you’re saying. It’s not the worst idea in the world but I’m not sure how many deaths it would prevent. Is locking the parents up after the fact a good use of resources? One thing that makes it tough to prevent kids from getting at things is they basically have all your info.
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What it does is it causes parents to get trigger locks, and gun safes, and adding biometric locking mechanisms, and all the other things that will keep kids from walking into the basement and grabbing the guns before heading off to school on a rampage, or to showoff to their friends.
 
Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

Drew S. said:
A good way to encourage more people to have kids, make the parents responsible for their behavior. I don’t have kids yet so perhaps I’m mistaken, but I think I would worry much more about my kids killing a bunch of other kids and potentially themselves than I would be to go to jail.
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You would think, yes, but then again these jackwagons aren't worried about their kids killing a bunch of other kids right now.

Parents with guns lying around the house within reach of their kids aren't going to respond to any deterrent, monetary, rational, or blatantly coercive. The guy leaving his gun where his kid can reach it is prima facie evidence he should be prohibited from having a gun. It's like drunk driving: if you do it you should lose your license even if you don't actually kill anybody, because doing it is proof you can't be trusted with a car.
 
St. Clown said:
What it does is it causes parents to get trigger locks, and gun safes, and adding biometric locking mechanisms, and all the other things that will keep kids from walking into the basement and grabbing the guns before heading off to school on a rampage, or to showoff to their friends.
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Perhaps a better way of phrasing your law could be that if parents don’t take some basic protections they could get in trouble. I’d be okay with that even though I doubt it would be very effective.
 
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