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Harvard Hockey 2025-'26: Crimson Ascending

Not so sure on Donato.

Harvard will be better next year. This senior class - especially on defense - has been totally disappointing. The D will be better once Langenbrunner & Healey leave. As sad as that is to say, it is the truth. Harvard has 2 very good defneemen coming in (especially Alex Huang who is a 3rd round draft pick) so I hope the returning D see that as a wake up call.
The last two years have been really rough notwithstanding a few bright spots. Maybe next year is better since it can't get much worse. Still, without a constructive approach to NIL and the portal, the long term prospects are not good. When Teddy retires (which should be 100% his choice on timing but is overdue for some of the reasons stated on this board), maybe give the next coach a few years to figure it out and then, if it is not possible, Harvard should switch to D3 for most if not all sports. Maybe you can't be selective in which case the situation is tougher since Harvard and the other non-scholarship schools will always have the potential to be competitive in some D1 sports (think Harvard, Yale, Princeton, or Cornell in lax or Yale in golf with their newly renovated golf course) but not in the revenue sports. Creating an FBS/FCS split for basketball and hockey might be a solution if selective moves to D3 are not possible.
 
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The last two years have been really rough notwithstanding a few bright spots. Maybe next year is better since it can't get much worse. Still, without a constructive approach to NIL and the portal, the long term prospects are not good. When Teddy retires (which should be 100% his choice on timing but is overdue for some of the reasons stated on this board), maybe give the next coach a few years to figure it out and then, if it is not possible, Harvard should switch to D3 for most if not all sports. Maybe you can't be selective in which case the situation is tougher since Harvard and the other non-scholarship schools will always have the potential to be competitive in some D1 sports (think Harvard, Yale, Princeton, or Cornell in lax or Yale in golf with their newly renovated golf course) but not in the revenue sports. Creating an FBS/FCS split for basketball and hockey might be a solution if selective moves to D3 are not possible.
The Ivy is currently having its best year in hockey in quite some time. I also wouldn't lump hockey in with "revenue sports."
 
The Ivy is currently having its best year in hockey in quite some time. I also wouldn't lump hockey in with "revenue sports."
Yes . . . this year the talent and coaching are there. The trend, however, is not good. Your point is well taken that hockey is not men's basketball or football but unlike cross country, wrestling, golf, tennis, lax etc., women's basketball and men's hockey are marginal revenue producers at some schools (e.g., North Dakota and Minnesota for men's hockey) so the combination of NIL, portal, and Major Junior transfers makes things very tricky if you don't play along. I'm not saying Harvard should move to NESCAC next year by the way but you never know in 10 years.
 
I can't see Harvard moving to NESCAC. I could see them and most of the Ivy Schools allowing themselves to play D1 with less emphasis on competing at a national level. Similiar to football.
 
I can't see Harvard moving to NESCAC. I could see them and most of the Ivy Schools allowing themselves to play D1 with less emphasis on competing at a national level. Similiar to football.
The real issue as CrimsonFace pointed out is NIL and the transfer portal. Quinnipiac has been dominating the league the last five or six years and that’s because they are using the transfer portal and basically stretching out every possible player’s eligibility. The Bobcats should move to Hockey East. They play a longer schedule than anyone else and want to compete for national championships every year. They don’t have the academic requirements of the other schools in the ECAC.
 
Maybe for Cornell and Dartmouth but I wouldn’t say that Harvard, Princeton, Brown and Yale are having great years by any stretch.
Princeton is having easily its best year since 2018.

You can gripe all you want about NIL and academic standards, but Harvard continues to recruit better than every other ECAC school, including Quinnipiac. Donato just hasn't been able to translate superior talent into on-ice success for the past few years.

Quinnipiac does game the system, but they're not unique in this. And they do not play a longer schedule than the other non-Ivies. Them leaving for Hockey East would greatly hurt the ECAC's national standing and thereby hurt Harvard's aspirations of competing nationally. Saying they should leave because they "want to compete for national championships every year" is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Cornell also wants to compete for a national championship every year...
 
About halfway through the second period of last night's game, I was thinking about who Harvard might face in the one game elimination start to the playoffs next weekend. I was sure home ice was beyond our reach. And then Mick Thompson gave us some life with his last minute goal to narrow the deficit to 3-2. Then the Crimson came out with their hair on fire with Ruohonen and Solovey scoring to give us the chance we need to finish in the top four. It was scary near the end until Langenbrunner iced it with an empty netter.

The task isn't complete however. We need help from the Big Green tonight - and it has to come in regulation. We need to take at least a point off Quinny because I'm not expecting the Bobcats to lose two in a row. If both Princeton and Harvard lose tonight in regulation, Princeton gets the bye based on beating Dartmouth among common opponents. At least that's what the Bright Boyz in the booth said although I'm skeptical of anything they say.
 
Princeton is having easily its best year since 2018.

You can gripe all you want about NIL and academic standards, but Harvard continues to recruit better than every other ECAC school, including Quinnipiac. Donato just hasn't been able to translate superior talent into on-ice success for the past few years.

Quinnipiac does game the system, but they're not unique in this. And they do not play a longer schedule than the other non-Ivies. Them leaving for Hockey East would greatly hurt the ECAC's national standing and thereby hurt Harvard's aspirations of competing nationally. Saying they should leave because they "want to compete for national championships every year" is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Cornell also wants to compete for a national championship every year...
Let's see if you can stay with me on this. Quinnipiac has played 35 games, Harvard has played 29. Quinnipiac started their season against BC on October 3rd. Harvard started their season on October 29th vs. UConn. Still with me? Yeah, the Bobcats have a longer schedule. Maybe someone should buy you a calculator and a calendar for your birthday.

Regarding Quinnipiac leaving and hurting the ECAC nationally, that's pure rubbish. The NCAA has expanded invites to include the Atlantic Hockey Conference as well as D-1 Independents. No one gets hurt nationally if you play teams outside your conference. And the day may come when the Ivy League decides to split off from the ECAC to get their own autobid to the tournament. Never say never where the NCAA is concerned.

I'm still laughing at your comment about Harvard out recruiting every team in the conference. This is a tired, overused excuse that everyone who didn't go to Harvard loves to shove in our faces. If this were true, we would be in the Frozen Four every year. Pure BS. Fact is, we lose more recruits to other schools who either offer scholarships or other incentives that we can't offer. The NIL and transfer portal is a real factor, whether you choose to accept it or not.

But hey, good for you guys for going for national championships. You don't worry about the academic index because you're on the lower end of the spectrum. And for the record, I've been critical of Teddy and his approach and have not backed down from my comments. Nor will I.
 
Let's see if you can stay with me on this. Quinnipiac has played 35 games, Harvard has played 29. Quinnipiac started their season against BC on October 3rd. Harvard started their season on October 29th vs. UConn. Still with me? Yeah, the Bobcats have a longer schedule. Maybe someone should buy you a calculator and a calendar for your birthday.
Blame the Ivy League that limits your schedule. It's not QU (or any other non-Ivy) doing something to bend the rules.
 
Let's see if you can stay with me on this. Quinnipiac has played 35 games, Harvard has played 29. Quinnipiac started their season against BC on October 3rd. Harvard started their season on October 29th vs. UConn. Still with me? Yeah, the Bobcats have a longer schedule. Maybe someone should buy you a calculator and a calendar for your birthday.

Regarding Quinnipiac leaving and hurting the ECAC nationally, that's pure rubbish. The NCAA has expanded invites to include the Atlantic Hockey Conference as well as D-1 Independents. No one gets hurt nationally if you play teams outside your conference. And the day may come when the Ivy League decides to split off from the ECAC to get their own autobid to the tournament. Never say never where the NCAA is concerned.

I'm still laughing at your comment about Harvard out recruiting every team in the conference. This is a tired, overused excuse that everyone who didn't go to Harvard loves to shove in our faces. If this were true, we would be in the Frozen Four every year. Pure BS. Fact is, we lose more recruits to other schools who either offer scholarships or other incentives that we can't offer. The NIL and transfer portal is a real factor, whether you choose to accept it or not.

But hey, good for you guys for going for national championships. You don't worry about the academic index because you're on the lower end of the spectrum. And for the record, I've been critical of Teddy and his approach and have not backed down from my comments. Nor will I.
I don't know what I said that compelled you to reply with such vitriol. Unfortunately, literally everything you just wrote is wrong.

Let's see if you can stay with me on this. Quinnipiac has played 35 games, Harvard has played 29. Quinnipiac started their season against BC on October 3rd. Harvard started their season on October 29th vs. UConn. Still with me? Yeah, the Bobcats have a longer schedule. Maybe someone should buy you a calculator and a calendar for your birthday.
Maybe someone should buy you a dictionary for your birthday so you can understand your own words. You did not write that Quinnipiac plays more games than Harvard. Instead, you wrote: "They play a longer schedule than anyone else." Which I informed you is not true, because they play the same number of games as about 57 other teams in NCAA Division I hockey including six teams in their own conference, a conference you want to kick them out of because..."they play more games than anyone else"????

Regarding Quinnipiac leaving and hurting the ECAC nationally, that's pure rubbish. The NCAA has expanded invites to include the Atlantic Hockey Conference as well as D-1 Independents. No one gets hurt nationally if you play teams outside your conference. And the day may come when the Ivy League decides to split off from the ECAC to get their own autobid to the tournament. Never say never where the NCAA is concerned.
So according to you, the Big 10 and the Atlantic Hockey, and all the teams that comprise them, have the same national standing? That's obviously a completely absurd thing to say. The best players don't want to play in Atlantic Hockey in large part because the competition is so much worse. Atlantic Hockey gets exactly one team into the NCAAs every year. You'd rather the ECAC's reputation go in the dumpster?

I'm still laughing at your comment about Harvard out recruiting every team in the conference.
You clearly don't follow recruiting at all, because if you did you'd know Harvard recruits better talent than the rest of the ECAC and usually it isn't even close. Harvard recruits more players on the NHL Central Scouting rankings, it recruits more players who get drafted, it recruits way more players from the USNTDP. This has been true basically every single year for 10-15 years now. Go read about it or ask a coach or advisor instead of making shit up.

This is a tired, overused excuse that everyone who didn't go to Harvard loves to shove in our faces."
First of all, I attended Harvard for graduate school. Second of all, people "shove that in your face" because it's considered an objective truth by anyone who follows these things.

If this were true, we would be in the Frozen Four every year.
Where'd you learn that logic? If you recruit better than the rest of the ECAC, you go to the Frozen Four every year?

Pure BS. Fact is, we lose more recruits to other schools who either offer scholarships or other incentives that we can't offer. The NIL and transfer portal is a real factor, whether you choose to accept it or not.
"Fact is," Harvard has lost recruits to scholarship schools for ages, including when it last won the national championship and when it last went to the Frozen Four. "Fact is," Harvard has the most generous financial aid in the entire country along with countless other advantages that enables it to win many recruiting battles against those same scholarship schools as well as against the rest of the ECAC. "Fact is," since the no-penalty transfer rule went into effect, Harvard hockey has NEVER lost a player to the transfer portal that it wanted to keep.

But hey, good for you guys for going for national championships. You don't worry about the academic index because you're on the lower end of the spectrum.
The academic index to which you refer is a function of (a) 2/3 test scores and (b) 1/3 GPA. Google tells me the average Harvard admitted student's SAT is a 1540. Meanwhile, the average Cornell admit's SAT is...also a1540. For GPA, the average Harvard admit's is a 4.2, whereas the average Cornell admit's is a 4.125. So please explain to me how the exact same SAT and a functionally identical GPA makes it so much easier for Cornell to compete for national championships than Harvard.

I'm sorry your team sucks, but there's really no need to debase yourself.
 
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And the day may come when the Ivy League decides to split off from the ECAC to get their own autobid to the tournament. Never say never where the NCAA is concerned.

In the current climate, I could only ever see this happening if Penn were to elevate hockey to D1. They already have the building (though it would need a few renovations to get to D1 standards and they'd have to kick out a lot of the club and youth hockey programming currently there) but no big donor has come from the Penn alumni base, strangely enough. Another issue is that the school would need to add another women's sport along with hockey because of Title IX, and so effectively Penn would be adding three new sports. I also have the impression that Penn's athletic department doesn't care too much about the possibility of D1 hockey, which is a shame given the school's location and the fact that Penn would have a natural conference to join, Ivy or not.
 
I have mixed opinions about Harvard's recruiting. Senior night last night. I felt this was one of the most disappointing senior classes in recent years. Sure there were NHL draft picks, but take for instance Joe Miller. Looked good as a freshman, has not progressed since then. Heyduk, as was pointed out last night, scored two goals, including the winner, in a Beanpot game as a freshman, last night was relegated to 4th line. Langenbrunner, a Bruin's draft pick, will never play for the Bruins. Healy made defensive mistakes all season, never fixed. So is it a question of good recruits not developing because of inadequate coaching, or poor drafting by NHL teams?

I mean, I find it difficult to think that a team that has troubles scoring is a well-recruited team. There is an obvious lack of offensive talent.

What I thought most disturbing during the senior night ceremonies was the lack of enthusiasm by the underclassmen for the graduating seniors. In preceding years I have seen a lot of stick banging and cheering. Last night I thought it was embarrassing to witness as most players gave perfunctory appreciation and looked like they wanted to get off the ice. I have witnessed this ceremony for years.

I did not go to Harvard, or Cornell for that matter, so I will not talk about admission standards.

As far as Quinnipiac is concerned they are doing things the absolute right way. It is tough to watch a game like last night and realize the team you follow cannot compete with that team any longer because of the changing rules of college sports, but that is no fault of theirs. They should do everything within their power to field the best team they can. I root for them in the NCAA tournament because I find their fans likeable and it is a well-coached team, and usually represents the ECAC. The Ivy League is subject to different rules and the ADs, e.g. Harvard's seem to treat NIL and eligibility rules as a dirty topic they don't want to discuss.

To summarize, I agree with Skate that the recruiting by Harvard is overrated, since Paul Pearl left I don't believe Harvard players have improved over their four years, and I wonder about the team chemistry which falls on the coach.
 
I have mixed opinions about Harvard's recruiting. Senior night last night. I felt this was one of the most disappointing senior classes in recent years. Sure there were NHL draft picks, but take for instance Joe Miller. Looked good as a freshman, has not progressed since then. Heyduk, as was pointed out last night, scored two goals, including the winner, in a Beanpot game as a freshman, last night was relegated to 4th line. Langenbrunner, a Bruin's draft pick, will never play for the Bruins. Healy made defensive mistakes all season, never fixed. So is it a question of good recruits not developing because of inadequate coaching, or poor drafting by NHL teams?

I mean, I find it difficult to think that a team that has troubles scoring is a well-recruited team. There is an obvious lack of offensive talent.

What I thought most disturbing during the senior night ceremonies was the lack of enthusiasm by the underclassmen for the graduating seniors. In preceding years I have seen a lot of stick banging and cheering. Last night I thought it was embarrassing to witness as most players gave perfunctory appreciation and looked like they wanted to get off the ice. I have witnessed this ceremony for years.

I did not go to Harvard, or Cornell for that matter, so I will not talk about admission standards.

As far as Quinnipiac is concerned they are doing things the absolute right way. It is tough to watch a game like last night and realize the team you follow cannot compete with that team any longer because of the changing rules of college sports, but that is no fault of theirs. They should do everything within their power to field the best team they can. I root for them in the NCAA tournament because I find their fans likeable and it is a well-coached team, and usually represents the ECAC. The Ivy League is subject to different rules and the ADs, e.g. Harvard's seem to treat NIL and eligibility rules as a dirty topic they don't want to discuss.

To summarize, I agree with Skate that the recruiting by Harvard is overrated, since Paul Pearl left I don't believe Harvard players have improved over their four years, and I wonder about the team chemistry which falls on the coach.
My claim was that Harvard recruits better talent than the rest of the league, and this has definitely been the case the past 10-15 years. Remember, second overall pick Matty Beniers was committed and would have attended Harvard if not for COVID wiping out the Ivies' seasons. There is no chance any other ECAC school would ever be competitive for a player of that caliber. Matt Coronato is another example. A first round pick has not attended any other ECAC school for many years. I believe the most recent example was Riley Nash at Cornell in 2008-10, and that was only because his brother had already committed.

I believe that every season for the past 15 years, Harvard has had the most draft picks, the most high-round draft picks, the most recruits ranked by NHL Central Scouting, and the most recruits from the US National Team. In fact, in many of these years the gap between Harvard and the next-best ECAC school hasn't even been close. A year or two ago, Harvard had 15 draft picks on its team, which was the most in all of college hockey--more than Minnesota, Michigan, BU, BC.

Harvard also has far more players in the NHL than the other ECAC schools. It's been that way for many years, and it isn't close. Harvard has NHL stars like Fox, top line players like Beniers, Coronato, Lafferiere, Donato. It has many more everyday NHL players that I didn't name. The next closest ECAC programs have like 3 or 4 largely marginal players.

As to why many of their recent draft picks haven't panned out, I don't know. But the gap in talent is obvious. And if it hadn't been for COVID, Harvard may have fielded the single most talented team in the history of the ECAC in 2021. Remember, because of COVID they lost a ton of talent to the NHL (eg. Drury) or to other schools (eg. Beniers). They still ended up with a stacked team full of future NHLers in 2022, even despite these departures.

As to the part about Quinnipiac, I wouldn't say they "are doing things the absolute right way." Quinnipiac bends the rules. They're active at poaching players from other schools. They won the national title in 2023 because they convinced 7 players to stay a fifth year. They do these things even when they have recruits in the pipeline expecting to play. By instead bringing in transfers or keeping a senior an extra year, Quinnipiac forces their lesser recruits to either decommit or matriculate and then transfer out after getting no playing time. Also, the other coaches in the ECAC think Rand is a huge jerk.

Is Quinnipiac breaking any rules? No. But they push every rule to its extreme. Are they the only team doing this? No. But the rest of the ECAC does not operate in this fashion.

Still, it would be bad for the league if Quinnipiac left.
 
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