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UMaine 25-26: Marques My Word: Back to the Big Time

Orono1993 said:
He’s still definitely not a championship winning goalie right now
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Right. I think he played overall better this weekend than previous games this year. But not as good as where he was down the stretch as last year. But he is at least headed in the right direction as a whole.

Just quite happy with how the team played. That’s a team building series. Starting to gel, harden, and get battle tested.

If they can do that to Denver, they can do this to any team in hockey east. That’s what Barr can point too. That’s what the captains can point to. So let’s see if their mental make up gets tougher.
 
Orono1993 said:
He’s still definitely not a championship winning goalie right now
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I don't that either guy is, as of now. But they're both decent, at the very least.

I say: stick to a rotation, and have the guys in front of them play a little better in keeping the puck along the boards in their own end.
 
Didn't see any of the game last night but to go 1-0-1 at DU is pretty impressive especially for a young team. I hope this is the turnaround series and Maine can keep playing at a high level for the rest of the season. Just looked at stats, Poirier had 4 blocked shots, wow. Led the team. How did Langlois look?
 
walrus said:
Didn't see any of the game last night but to go 1-0-1 at DU is pretty impressive especially for a young team. I hope this is the turnaround series and Maine can keep playing at a high level for the rest of the season. Just looked at stats, Poirier had 4 blocked shots, wow. Led the team. How did Langlois look?
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I thought Langlois looked fine. He makes some smart decisions with the puck.
 
Looking at the OOC games for NPI and predominant best conferences: Hockey East vs NCHC vs BIG 10

15 UConn
16 BC
18 Providence
21 Northeastern
22 Maine
23 BU
26 UNH
40 Merrimack
41 UMass
50 UMass Lowell
51 Vermont

2 North Dakota
4 Minnesota Duluth
7 Western Michigan
8 Denver
20 St Cloud St
24 Arizona St
30 Miami
35 Colorado College
42 Omaha

1 Michigan
3 Wisconsin
5 Michigan St
9 Penn St
32 Minnesota
34 Ohio St
53 Notre Dame

Our problem is ECAC, their OOC besides Quinnipiac isn’t impressive
6 Dartmouth - 6-2 - best ASU, Merrimack
10 Quinnipiac - 8-2-2 - best BC, BU
11 Cornell - 3-2 - best UMass, Omaha
12 Princeton - 4-2 - best Alaska
17 Harvard - 2-2-1 - best Northeastern, tie UConn
27 Union
36 Clarkson
47 Colgate
52 Yale
55 Brown
56 RPI
62 St Lawrence
 
I dont get this NPI, Maine barely moved, its annoying looking at this during the season. I understand its supposed to shake out by March so then I shouldnt have to look at it now if its gonna be this round the bene. Pairwise and krach werent like this
 
BoSox3066 said:
I dont get this NPI, Maine barely moved, its annoying looking at this during the season. I understand its supposed to shake out by March so then I shouldnt have to look at it now if its gonna be this round the bene. Pairwise and krach werent like this
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I mean, Maine is 22nd in the NPI and would be 20th in PWR. Not a huge difference at this point. I don't think 5 ECAC schools are going to stick in the top 20.
 
BoSox3066 said:
I dont get this NPI, Maine barely moved, its annoying looking at this during the season. I understand its supposed to shake out by March so then I shouldnt have to look at it now if its gonna be this round the bene. Pairwise and krach werent like this
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NPI seems to punish bad losses and and rewards good road wins. It's easier to lose points then it is to gain points (depending on NPI oppenent strength).

Maine had around 51.38 NPI points before Friday's win. The win moved them up about 1.42 points to around 52.8 points. Thus moving Maine from around 36th to 23rd or so. Yesterdays tie moved Maine up .13 points to 52.93 (22nd). If Maine had won they would be at 53.8 points good for 18th in the NPI.

The problem is it will be very hard for Maine to move up now because the teams ahead of Maine have much more points then Maine. The teams we leaped were in the middle and grouped up together in terms of NPI points. For example the difference between #1 Michigan and #11 Cornell in the NPI is 4.45 points, but the difference between #11 Cornell and #39 Air Force is even less at 4.31 points.

The teams ahead will need to lose (perferably to bad teams at home) while Maine needs to continue winning. The point differential of where Maine was before this weekend 51.38 and after this weekend 52.93 is 1.55. For comparison purposes 1.55 more points would get us to 14th which still probably won't be enough for a NCAA auto bid. Further more another 1.55 points would get us from only 14th to 10th.

The only games left Maine has against top 20 NPI teams is Connecticut at home and Providence away. Maine also won't be able to gain 1.42 points (from two games let alone 1 game) because the best opportunity they have left to gain points is to sweep this weekend at Providence (1.26 points, which is less points then Maine gained from even 1 win at Denver because of Denver's NPI rank, road win and the Quality Win Bonus). No teams left on our schedule would move Maine up nearly as much. Most remaining games gives Maine around .4-.5 points per win and at least -.5 points to almost -.9 points per loss.

I hope this helped explain things a little, if this made things more confusing for you then I'm sorry.
 
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AMC said:
I mean, Maine is 22nd in the NPI and would be 20th in PWR. Not a huge difference at this point. I don't think 5 ECAC schools are going to stick in the top 20.
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I think by the end of the regular season there will only be 2, at most 3 ECAC teams left inside the top 20.
 
Ineverquit said:
NPI seems to punish bad losses and and rewards good road wins. It's easier to lose points then it is to gain points (depending on NPI oppenent strength).

Maine had around 51.38 NPI points before Friday's win. The win move them up about 1.42 points to around 52.8 points. Thus moving Maine from around 36th to 23rd or so. Yesterdays tie moved Maine up .13 points to 52.93 (22nd). If Maine had won they would be at 53.8 points good for 18th in the NPI.

The problem is it will be very hard for Maine to move up now because the teams ahead of Maine have much more points then Maine. The teams we leaped were in the middle and grouped up together in terms of NPI points. For example the difference between #1 Michigan and #11 Cornell in the NPI is 4.45 points, but the difference between #11 Cornell and #39 Air Force is even less at 4.31 points.

The teams ahead will need to lose (perferably to bad teams at home) while Maine needs to continue winning. The point differential of where Maine was before this weekend 51.38 and after this weekend 52.93 is 1.55. For comparison purposes 1.55 more points would get us to 14th which still probably won't be enough for a NCAA auto bid. Further more another 1.55 points would get us from only 14th to 10th.

The only games left Maine has against top 20 NPI teams is Connecticut at home and Providence away. Maine also won't be able to gain 1.42 points (from two games let alone 1 game) because the best opportunity they have left to gain points is to sweep this weekend at Providence (1.26 points, which is less points then Maine gained from even 1 win at Denver because of Denver's NPI rank, road win and the Quality Win Bonus). No teams left on our schedule would move Maine up nearly as much. Most remaining games gives Maine around .4-.5 points per win and at least -.5 points to almost -.9 points per loss.

I hope this helped explain things a little, if this made things more confusing for you then I'm sorry.
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I followed it. In essence there is a normal distribution and so we moved from the below average side 1 standard deviation under to 1 standard deviation over the average. But getting to 1.5 standard deviation is very difficult. And getting to 2 standard deviations above the mean is likely not possible(might have to win out).
 
Regardless of the npi the losses against vermont at home and unh at home just hurt.
Yeah I know growing pains and all.
Even the loss to umass in hindsight, umass only regular win in HE so far, but somewhat understandable as their not the old umass and have a good program under Carvel - not 4 nothing understandable though.

Next up will be another interesting weekend - providence looks to be up and down too.
 
NorthMike said:
Regardless of the npi the losses against vermont at home and unh at home just hurt.
Yeah I know growing pains and all.
Even the loss to umass in hindsight, umass only regular win in HE so far, but somewhat understandable as their not the old umass and have a good program under Carvel - not 4 nothing understandable though.

Next up will be another interesting weekend - providence looks to be up and down too.
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I think even more then UNH, the one that's killing us aside from UVM is losing to Colgate (and then needing OT to beat them the next night).
 
NorthMike said:
Regardless of the npi the losses against vermont at home and unh at home just hurt.
Yeah I know growing pains and all.
Even the loss to umass in hindsight, umass only regular win in HE so far, but somewhat understandable as their not the old umass and have a good program under Carvel - not 4 nothing understandable though.

Next up will be another interesting weekend - providence looks to be up and down too.
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PC lost to Alaska Fairbanks last night
 
Also....I wonder how NPI is going to affect future scheduling? If Maine (and others) are going to be "punished" that much for bad losses.....maybe less Atlantic, ECAC and Indys on future schedules?

I'd like to see Q, 1 BIG & 1 NCHC on the schedule every year.
 
Fishman'81 said:
I don't that either guy is, as of now. But they're both decent, at the very least.

I say: stick to a rotation, and have the guys in front of them play a little better in keeping the puck along the boards in their own end.
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To win a championship next yr I honestly think Maine needs to hit the portal for a new goalie. There are plenty out there.

Also for people who pay closer attention than me; how often does a goalie w the poise that Boija had last yr (and even lots of flashes of it freshman yr), just lose it for a season or two. Of course performance or at least production regression happens all the time among skaters, but how often does it happen in 21-28 yr old goalies. I guess my main q is: how likely/unlikely is it that a goalie that’s a stud w a two yr track record elsewhere, comes in and falls on their face, etc
 
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