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Open Wheel Racing 2021, anyone there to watch?

Max on pole but did nothing but complain about the car, so we’ll see how it handles in the long run tomorrow. Then McLaren at 2-3 to put pressure on Max. George snuck in at 4th ahead of Hamilton who was looking dead set for P1 until the final two corners, and then Leclerc who just didn’t seem happy at all during qualifying.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
Max on pole but did nothing but complain about the car, so we’ll see how it handles in the long run tomorrow. Then McLaren at 2-3 to put pressure on Max. George snuck in at 4th ahead of Hamilton who was looking dead set for P1 until the final two corners, and then Leclerc who just didn’t seem happy at all during qualifying.
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As David Coulthard said on F1 TV, “I wouldn’t want to play poker with Max.”
 
Just tell Pirelli to save the rubber and stop making wets if they're always going to stop the race before teams go to them.

If anything, all the safety car did was make it more dangerous by making 20 rooster tails into a giant cloud by bunching the field together when everyone was fairly spread out before.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Just tell Pirelli to save the rubber and stop making wets if they're always going to stop the race before teams go to them.
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Yea, those tires are useless- they put a SC out way before they are needed, and red flag it right at the time they are useful.

But what a messy race- with all of the flags and crashes, it's beginning to look like a NASCAR race.
 
MichVandal said:
Yea, those tires are useless- they put a SC out way before they are needed, and red flag it right at the time they are useful.

But what a messy race- with all of the flags and crashes, it's beginning to look like a NASCAR race.
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Frustrating first 20 or so with all the stops and starts and then the safety car that probably made things more dangerous, but ended up with some good storylines. Norris cuts into Piastri's WDC lead with a home win, Red Bull doesn't make up much ground for third in the constructors which will keep Max's escale clause intact so far, and my favorite part of today: Nico gets a podium for the first time in 239 races and launches Sauber from 9th to 6th in the Constructors.
 
I would add how interesting it was how the tire situation went.

Lewis closed on Niko super fast, and dropped off just as fast.

And the cross over was pretty varied- little mistakes cost a lot of time given how fast the dry tires were. And the difference was very clear when a 10 second penalty ended up being a 5 second deficit with a one lap delay in a stop for the McLarens.

Piastri is justifiably angry over the 10 second penalty, but at the same time, why did he do that in the first place? It did result in an angry max spinning the car, so all was not lost, LOL.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
my favorite part of today: Nico gets a podium for the first time in 239 races and launches Sauber from 9th to 6th in the Constructors.
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Fantastic. Even the crowd cheered him across the line despite meaning it prevented their hometown hero from keeping his British GP podium streak of 11 going.
 
MichVandal said:
I would add how interesting it was how the tire situation went.

Lewis closed on Niko super fast, and dropped off just as fast.

And the cross over was pretty varied- little mistakes cost a lot of time given how fast the dry tires were. And the difference was very clear when a 10 second penalty ended up being a 5 second deficit with a one lap delay in a stop for the McLarens.

Piastri is justifiably angry over the 10 second penalty, but at the same time, why did he do that in the first place? It did result in an angry max spinning the car, so all was not lost, LOL.
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I was surprised that the top three bothered to pit at all at the end. Seems like only bad things could happen giving up 0:35-1:15 lead, especially when the slicks were still causing issues for others.

On the other side, George seemed to handle the slicks well in the wet, but they gambled about two laps too early both times.

I still say the first safety car made things more dangerous. While I hate red flags because they end up waiting until it's dry and ruins all the variable strategies, that's better than grouping everyone up to put 19 cars in a cloud behind the leader instead of isolating rooster tails to individual battles around the track.

On the NASCAR side of things, SVG swept Chicago this weekend. He's now won 4/5 races he's ran on the street course.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
On the NASCAR side of things, SVG swept Chicago this weekend. He's now won 4/5 races he's ran on the street course.
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I'm so glad that the track is done. It was unique and created some gorgeous photos and TV scenes, but everything I read was it was just awful in person. and the layout was meh. I enjoyed the Detroit Indy race much more than the Chicago NASCAR race.

Can't wait for them to announce a return to Chicagoland next year.

I still cant believe they gave up Road America for this.
 
Kepler said:
How is that Stake-Kick-Chicos Bail Bonds shitbox not 10th?
Is it...not actually a shitbox?
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It started the season as one, but I think they are fixing a lot of processes behind the scenes as it transitions to Audi. They have been getting better all season.

Not sure what the actual shitbox is- as there is a lot of variation of who is really bad at each race. The only think I will hang my hat on is that Haas sucks at qualifying. And Stroll sucks- he got a huge advantage of a well timed call to shift tires yesterday to put him into 3rd. But he faded from that height quite a bit.
 
MichVandal said:
It started the season as one, but I think they are fixing a lot of processes behind the scenes as it transitions to Audi. They have been getting better all season.

Not sure what the actual shitbox is- as there is a lot of variation of who is really bad at each race. The only think I will hang my hat on is that Haas sucks at qualifying. And Stroll sucks- he got a huge advantage of a well timed call to shift tires yesterday to put him into 3rd. But he faded from that height quite a bit.
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To Stroll's credit, he has done well in the rain before. Remember, his one pole was in the rain. And he was holding on to that third for a long time, Hulkenberg couldn't catch him, until it started drying out.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
To Stroll's credit, he has done well in the rain before. Remember, his one pole was in the rain. And he was holding on to that third for a long time, Hulkenberg couldn't catch him, until it started drying out.
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Stroll's one pole is Lawrence's.

I hope they do a complete color makeover at Audi.

  • Audi: red with black accents (we'll see, depends on execution, expecting the worst)
  • Ferrari: "Rossa Corsa" (perfect, the Cornell of F1)
  • Haas: white with red accents (boring)
  • RB: white with ugly red/yellow logo (corporate)
  • Red Bull: stupid
  • Williams: "Heritage Blue" (cleanest, sharpest color out there)
  • Aston Martin: "Bayberry Green" ("British Racing Green" faded in desert sun for 50 years; chic)
  • Mercedes: "Tiffany Green" a.k.a. turquoise (confusing, derivative)
  • Alpine: pink and something (always depends on the pink; currently not objectionable)
  • McLaren: papaya (hilarious mockery of everyone else's F1 pretensions)
  • Cadillac: whereabouts unknown
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
To Stroll's credit, he has done well in the rain before. Remember, his one pole was in the rain. And he was holding on to that third for a long time, Hulkenberg couldn't catch him, until it started drying out.
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Sure, he can have that little credit. But I still think he should not be wasting a seat in F1. It was pretty funny how Alonso complained that the team didn't do the same thing for him, which he thinks seems to happen all the time.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
Wow, Horner out at RB.
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I'm kind of surprised it took this long. There have been indicators that things were really bad at RBR for a while, with the accusations on Horner and Newey leaving a year ago. But then it seemed like they got that fixed. Until the season began and we saw that the car has some serious flaws.

The real surprise is that it came now, so far into the season. I wonder if Max has exercised is escape clause and the blame for that has fallen on Horner's shoulders.
 
One thing that has come to mind here- Verstappen. And I mean Jos not Max. He was playing the accusations a year ago trying to get control of the team, so I'm theorizing that he used Max and his escape clause to gain control of the team by getting Horner canned. Not sure why, as RBR's prospects for next season are not all that bright given that it's their brand new engine, they have my former employer as a partner (which is a bad thing), and nobody brilliant with total car design to replace Newey.

Which is kind of odd, because Max's option of Mercedes is a more favorable one in terms of probabilities and the future.

But it does follow what Jos tried to do a year ago.
 
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