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Religion: Communion Toast Crunch

Stauber1 said:
His first homily starts with how Christians are so persecuted, ends with an unequivocal attack on secularism and fear mongering about atheists. Color me unimpressed.
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Yeah none of this is true.

Read the entirety of his supposed attack on secularism. It’s far, far more nuanced than the humanists on Reddit are regurgitating.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Yeah none of this is true.

Read the entirety of his supposed attack on secularism. It’s far, far more nuanced than the humanists on Reddit are regurgitating.
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I've read the transcript, thank you.

speaking of None of This is True....

"A lack of faith is often tragically accompanied by the loss of meaning in life, the neglect of mercy, appalling violations of human dignity, the crisis of the family and so many other wounds that afflict our society"

I've heard this schtick before.
 
Stauber1 said:
speaking of None of This is True....

"A lack of faith is often tragically accompanied by the loss of meaning in life, the neglect of mercy, appalling violations of human dignity, the crisis of the family and so many other wounds that afflict our society"
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All the Southern Baptists, Mormons, and conservative Catholics who voted for Trump are so merciful towards their fellow humans and respectful of their dignity.

Unless, of course, you're not a Christian, or you're LGBTQ, or you're an immigrant who talks funny. Then all bets are off.

I get that these folks are actually very unchristian, but you can't say they don't have faith. They are convinced their faith and their interpretation of the Gospels are the only way to live and get to a pleasant afterlife, and they can cherry pick all sorts of little Bible passages to justify their bigotries. The real challenge for this Pope will be convincing RW Catholics and other conservatives in general that their hateful secular politics cannot jive with their self-proclaimed Christian faith and values.

These are contexts where it is not easy to preach the Gospel and bear witness to its truth, where believers are mocked, opposed, despised or at best tolerated and pitied.
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I could easily say the same thing about the above Christians. Just replace "Gospel" with scientific truth. Again, the challenge for this Pope will be convincing the flock that science has value and need not contradict faith.
 
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ticapnews said:
Say it with me: not a....

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Also: five years of probation for multiple child rapes?
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Ol' Boys Club does its job. If he'd gotten time and landed in gen pop, he'd have been torn a literal new one (I know, I know..."that's a shame").

He should be in solitary for the rest of his life. Serial CMs of his level and longevity cannot be rehabilitated, IMO.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Ol' Boys Club does its job. If he'd gotten time and landed in gen pop, he'd have been torn a literal new one (I know, I know..."that's a shame").

He should be in solitary for the rest of his life. Serial CMs of his level and longevity cannot be rehabilitated, IMO.
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At the same time, everybody knows his name, and he doesn’t look like a fast runner. I expect there may be for than one relative of the “many” victims from the past 30 years who are willing to stick up for their kin.
 
St. Clown said:
At the same time, everybody knows his name, and he doesn’t look like a fast runner. I expect there may be for than one relative of the “many” victims from the past 30 years who are willing to stick up for their kin.
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And they'll be the one who ends up getting 15 to life for murder 2. It's almost like the courts could tamp down on the desire for vigilante justice if they'd just punish the damn monster for once.
 
Stauber1 said:
I've read the transcript, thank you.

speaking of None of This is True....

"A lack of faith is often tragically accompanied by the loss of meaning in life, the neglect of mercy, appalling violations of human dignity, the crisis of the family and so many other wounds that afflict our society"

I've heard this schtick before.
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Yeah, I don’t think you have because you’re quoting the same thing everyone who has read the 200-character takes on it have said

The full context is
“Even today, there are many settings in which the Christian faith is considered absurd, meant for the weak and unintelligent. Settings where other securities are preferred, like technology, money, success, power, or pleasure.

These are contexts where it is not easy to preach the Gospel and bear witness to its truth, where believers are mocked, opposed, despised or at best tolerated and pitied. Yet, precisely for this reason, they are the places where our missionary outreach is desperately needed. A lack of faith is often tragically accompanied by the loss of meaning in life, the neglect of mercy, appalling violations of human dignity, the crisis of the family and so many other wounds that afflict our society.”

Boy, that really reads different than “atheists bad”
 
In a medical setting, I definitely trust science, technology, and money (ability to pay) a hell of a lot more than faith and prayers. 🙂 If the point was that more Christ-like behavior is needed in these areas - especially when it comes to billing, insurance, and bedside manner - then I agree and he could've worded it better. Perhaps it was lost in translation, but I highly doubt that.

The specific atheist remark I think came from the paragraph where he talks about non-Xtians and even some Xtians treating Jesus as a figurehead or a superhero, rather than part of the godhead. He said that this amounts to "practical atheism". I wouldn't read too hard into that stanza. I think it was a defense of trinitarianism and Jesus as both man and God, against the tendency of younger people to view Jesus Christ as just a well-meaning life coach and all around cool dude. Or the beliefs of growing nontrinitarian denominations like the Mormons.
 
I don’t get the impression in the slightest that this was an anti-science rant.

It reads more like the people who worship technology or wealth as their god (this really feels like a direct shot at Silicon Valley) and when you read it in this context it makes the idea that “atheism is the cause of bad things” more absurd.
 
Anyways, this is all weird territory for me since I’m not religious, barely spiritual in the monotheistic Christian god sense, generally don’t like the Catholic Church (which probably comes from my Lutheran upbringing as well as the scandals and vulgar wealth). So finding myself defending the pope is so foreign feeling.

For what it’s worth, I don’t expect him to usher in a true progressive era in the church. I expect him to keep the church moving in the direction Francis did and maybe even be a bit more progressive on LGBTQ members within the church.

Being an Augustinian and following a Jesuit will tend to do that. Plus there’s a reason he picked Leo and the best readings I’ve seen so far have been that he intends to be a sort of Pope of the worker like the prior holder of that name.
 
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