UNH 2024/2025 Goldberg Edition

[HockeyRef]

Was not Eric Stratton the rich kid, frat boy, rush chairperson in Animal House, which was supposedly based on Dartmouth College? At least the Big Green made it to the EZAC tourney in Lake Plastic this year with their relatively new and energetic coach.

Yes the very same. Fast forward to today he's been in a couple of mini series and always plays a doctor! Which if you know the Animal House movie at the end they show what the frat boys all become and he's a gynecologist in Beverly Hills

 

[TheGrouchyCat]

"our way of life". That's just a weird phrase. You should change your name to Buford and spend more time trying to scrape the plaque of your tooth. Goodness, you are the reason why so little gets accomplished in NH.

I attended UNH and liked it. I love the hockey program. The players were good guys and Kullen and Umile were top shelf guys when I was there. However, I always resented the nonsensical logic the "frugal" (i.e. unsophisticaed and unevolved) NH residents used to justify underfunding a college that was better than UMass in the 80s and now is morphing into a pretty lousy state school. UNH was the number two state school in New England in the 80s - behind only Vermont. Now its at the bottom.

It's depressing to walk into the Dimond Library, which was out dated in the early 90s, and see that it hasn't improved. You learn a lot about what a college thinks of itself when you simply tour the library. The Dimond is a dump. Every single penny of Morin's $4 million, which he accumulated by working decades in the library, should have been used for renovations. But people like you scoffed at his lifetime of hard work and threw it away on a dumb scoreboard. Is that what you mean by "our way of life"? And you have the temerity to blame Morin for not properly designating his gift. You also propose that Souza or the next hockey coach should go on a search for Lemmings mission to find more private money donors? Clearly, you have never raised money for anything in your life, Chuck. First rule of development? Assume the prospective donors are intelligent and truly want to help if told how to do so.

It's even more depressing to listen to the conman mentality you preach when discussing Morin's $4 million gift. You blame him for trusting UNH with his life savings. How very Eric Stratton of you - "face it, you (bleeped) up. you trusted us"

BTW, not that you have the capacity to understand this, but the reason so many great hockey players came out of Massachusetts for decades was the MDC rinks (i.e. public) rinks that allowed lower middle and middle class kids from urban and working class suburban neighborhoods to play hockey for small money. Plenty of the well off kids learned to skate at those rinks and played their games through high school. Why? Because the state required them to be open to everyone.

From a UNH perspective, that's Cap Raeder, Umile, jeff Lazaro, the Brickleys, Souza, Regan, the Cox brothers, Sean Collins, Saviano, Joe Flanagan and many, many more. How's that for social engineering! I'd imagine it was similar in Toronto and Montreal (according to Jim Montgomery, it was) with their approach to hockey. After all Canada is socialist, right Chuck? And let's not get started on Minnesota and it's approach to having the taxpayers funds hockey rinks. Oh course, NH has ummm let's call it a modest history of developing hockey players. Wonder why......

I'm not the least bit surprised that a flat earther like you, Chuck, has literally spent 5 decades watching college hockey without a clue as to who the players really are and how they got so good at hoc

"our way of life". That's just a weird phrase. You should change your name to Buford and spend more time trying to scrape the plaque off your tooth. Goodness, you are the reason why so little gets accomplished in NH.

I attended UNH and liked it. I love the hockey program. The players were good guys and Kullen and Umile were top shelf guys when I was there. However, I always resented the nonsensical logic the "frugal" (i.e. unsophisticaed and unevolved) NH residents used to justify underfunding a college that was better than UMass in the 80s and now is morphing into a pretty lousy state school. UNH was the number two state school in New England in the 80s - behind only Vermont. Now its at the bottom.

It's depressing to walk into the Dimond Library, which was out dated in the early 90s, and see that it hasn't improved. You learn a lot about what a college thinks of itself when you simply tour the library. The Dimond is a dump. Every single penny of Morin's $4 million, which he accumulated by working decades in the library, should have been used for renovations. But people like you scoffed at his lifetime of hard work and threw it away on a dumb scoreboard. Is that what you mean by "our way of life"? And you have the temerity to blame Morin for not properly designating his gift. You also propose that Souza or the next hockey coach should go on a search for Lemmings mission to find more private money donors? Clearly, you have never raised money for anything in your life, Chuck. First rule of development? Assume the prospective donors are intelligent and truly want to help if told how to do so.

It's even more depressing to listen to the conman mentality you preach when discussing Morin's $4 million gift. You blame him for trusting UNH with his life savings. How very Eric Stratton of you - "face it, you (bleeped) up. you trusted us"

BTW, not that you have the capacity to understand this, but the reason so many great hockey players came out of Massachusetts for decades was the MDC (i.e. public) rinks that allowed lower middle and middle class kids from urban and working class suburban neighborhoods to play hockey for small money. Plenty of the well off kids learned to skate at those rinks and played their games through high school at state owned and operated facilities. Why? Because the state required them to be open to everyone.

From a UNH perspective, that's Cap Raeder, Umile, jeff Lazaro, the Brickleys, Souza, Regan, Pollastrone, the Cox brothers, Rod Langway, Sean Collins, Saviano, Joe Flanagan and many, many more. How's that for social engineering! I'd imagine it was similar in Toronto and Montreal (according to Jim Montgomery, it was) with their approach to hockey. After all Canada is socialist, right Chuck? And let's not get started on Minnesota and it's approach to having the taxpayers fund hockey rinks. Oh course, NH has ummm let's call it a modest history of developing hockey players. Wonder why......

I'm not the least bit surprised that a flat earther like you, Chuck, has literally spent 5 decades watching college hockey without a clue as to who the players really are and how they got so good at hockey.

You are using examples of players who were developed locally from 20-50 years ago?

 

[Snively65]

Rest assured I went to UNH. Who would claim they did if they didn’t? So athletic funding is appropriated 100% in house. So all it takes is a phone call? Why is it treated as a difficult task? You already noted that the State pays for infrastructure improvements.

So this is a simple commitment issue. If raising student athletic fees / tuition can do it, raising money is relatively easy although painful for the students

Why should over 95% of the State U current students who do not care two whitts (get it?) about ice hockey pay higher athletic fees to cover locker room upgrades so that townspeople, alums, and less than 5% of current students get to watch a better team on the ice? Apparently, Anthony Digregorio generously donated $4 mil for these facility upgrades contingent on the raising of matching funds from alumni, which I gather has not happened. Whose fault is that? Most people up here in the northern sticks could not care less about Plymouth State, let alone UNH.

 

[Potluck]

Why should over 95% of the State U current students who do not care two whitts (get it?) about ice hockey pay higher athletic fees to cover locker room upgrades so that townspeople, alums, and less than 5% of current students get to watch a better team on the ice? Apparently, Anthony Digregorio generously donated $4 mil for these facility upgrades contingent on the raising of matching funds from alumni, which I gather has not happened. Whose fault is that? Most people up here in the northern sticks could not care less about Plymouth State, let alone UNH.

Why have the students pay any athletic fee? It’s a fair question. But thst decision to do so was made long ago. It’s a matter of how much.

Smart move be Digregorio, if correct. He doesn’t want to waste his money if the overall commitment isn’t there. Good on him. The commitment isn’t there. If the commitment isn’t there from the alums and university, changing the coach is a relatively minor improvement.

 

[Snively65]

Why have the students pay any athletic fee? It’s a fair question. But thst decision to do so was made long ago. It’s a matter of how much.

Smart move be Digregorio, if correct. He doesn’t want to waste his money if the overall commitment isn’t there. Good on him. The commitment isn’t there. If the commitment isn’t there from the alums and university, changing the coach is a relatively minor improvement.

Part of the deal with building the Whitt in 1995 was conversion of Snively into a variety of facilities for intramural athletics to placate students for the significant bump in their athletic fees.

 

[JB]

Why have the students pay any athletic fee? It’s a fair question. But thst decision to do so was made long ago. It’s a matter of how much.

Smart move be Digregorio, if correct. He doesn’t want to waste his money if the overall commitment isn’t there. Good on him. The commitment isn’t there. If the commitment isn’t there from the alums and university, changing the coach is a relatively minor improvement.

Do you know the difference between OPEX and CAPEX as your posts show you are very confused?

 

[JB]

Part of the deal with building the Whitt in 1995 was conversion of Snively into a variety of facilities for intramural athletics to placate students for the significant bump in their athletic fees.

Student Senate approved etc. Not jammed down their throats.

 

[JB]

You already noted that the State pays for infrastructure improvements.

If raising student athletic fees / tuition can do it, raising money is relatively easy although painful for the students

2 Items here.

1) Yes sometimes the State bonds improvements, sometimes you can get the State to provide money. HOWEVER as noted PAGES ago it actually appears the norm on these sorts of improvements at similar institutions to be philanthropically funded.

1a) Sununu put the money in his last budget, I assume continent on the University getting the other $8M. Now the University is in a process of right sizing from a budget short fall due to decreased enrollment. New Govern Ayotte has proposed a $8M/year decrease in State funding to the University.

2) "Painful for Students" - 80%+ of the funding already comes from the Students. It is cheaper for a NH resident to go to school in North Dakota or Wyoming on out of state tuition. Falling enrollment noted in 1a) is a problem. I am just going to assume you can pass an econ class and fill in the rest yourself... curious if you get the right answer in your next few posts.

P.S. would be nice if you had demonstrated a higher level of cognitive ability to this point

 

[Sparkee]

You guys are like kids at Christmas when it comes to the off-season. Just tearing through the wrapping to get to the next excuse. I’d say you are all in near mid-summer form already. You’ve already uncovered that if it weren’t for the library renovations hockey would be better.

Now all you need to be at peak summer form is a two page per day mythical quest by Chuck that involves him sniffing fresh animal stools and decoding runic tree carvings to find the magical cow bell that when rung gets UNH back to the pinnacle of a regular season hockey east championship. This quest culminates in the hanging of a banner and a franks and beans luncheon where “fun was had by all”.

 

[Darius]

Was not Eric Stratton the rich kid, frat boy, rush chairperson in Animal House, which was supposedly based on Dartmouth College? At least the Big Green made it to the EZAC tourney in Lake Plastic this year with their relatively new and energetic coach.

“…damn glad to meet you.”

 

[Snively65]

Student Senate approved etc. Not jammed down their throats.

I never said that the increase in student athletic fees was jammed down their throats in 1995. My point was why should students pay even more athletic fees now to upgrade locker rooms for the hockey team when there is nothing in it for them like there was when they got new facilities in the rehabbed Snively in 1995.

 

[Chuck Murray]

What a charming Ma$$hole you are, Mike. More outward hatred of the State of NH, its residents, and our way of life. You must be a blast at parties ...

"our way of life". That's just a weird phrase. You should change your name to Buford and spend more time trying to scrape the plaque off your tooth. Goodness, you are the reason why so little gets accomplished in NH.

I attended UNH and liked it. I love the hockey program. The players were good guys and Kullen and Umile were top shelf guys when I was there. However, I always resented the nonsensical logic the "frugal" (i.e. unsophisticaed and unevolved) NH residents used to justify underfunding a college that was better than UMass in the 80s and now is morphing into a pretty lousy state school. UNH was the number two state school in New England in the 80s - behind only Vermont. Now its at the bottom.

It's depressing to walk into the Dimond Library, which was out dated in the early 90s, and see that it hasn't improved. You learn a lot about what a college thinks of itself when you simply tour the library. The Dimond is a dump. Every single penny of Morin's $4 million, which he accumulated by working decades in the library, should have been used for renovations. But people like you scoffed at his lifetime of hard work and threw it away on a dumb scoreboard. Is that what you mean by "our way of life"? And you have the temerity to blame Morin for not properly designating his gift. You also propose that Souza or the next hockey coach should go on a search for Lemmings mission to find more private money donors? Clearly, you have never raised money for anything in your life, Chuck. First rule of development? Assume the prospective donors are intelligent and truly want to help if told how to do so.

It's even more depressing to listen to the conman mentality you preach when discussing Morin's $4 million gift. You blame him for trusting UNH with his life savings. How very Eric Stratton of you - "face it, you (bleeped) up. you trusted us"

BTW, not that you have the capacity to understand this, but the reason so many great hockey players came out of Massachusetts for decades was the MDC (i.e. public) rinks that allowed lower middle and middle class kids from urban and working class suburban neighborhoods to play hockey for small money. Plenty of the well off kids learned to skate at those rinks and played their games through high school at state owned and operated facilities. Why? Because the state required them to be open to everyone.

From a UNH perspective, that's Cap Raeder, Umile, jeff Lazaro, the Brickleys, Souza, Regan, Pollastrone, the Cox brothers, Rod Langway, Sean Collins, Saviano, Joe Flanagan and many, many more. How's that for social engineering! I'd imagine it was similar in Toronto and Montreal (according to Jim Montgomery, it was) with their approach to hockey. After all Canada is socialist, right Chuck? And let's not get started on Minnesota and it's approach to having the taxpayers fund hockey rinks. Oh course, NH has ummm let's call it a modest history of developing hockey players. Wonder why......

I'm not the least bit surprised that a flat earther like you, Chuck, has literally spent 5 decades watching college hockey without a clue as to who the players really are and how they got so good at hockey.

I think what's most telling here is the fact that you've actually "doubled down" on knowing how Morin's gift should have been spent, as the elite, effete snob you are increasingly revealing yourself to be. I guess in your mind, Morin's middle name was Buford, and being "unsophisticated and unevolved", his dental health was substandard, too. I mean, not that you've ever visited the area, how gauche would that be, but Western MA demographics aren't very impressive, and most of NH looks like Shangri-La by comparison. But I digress. Let's revisit the whole Morin gift thing, one more time, with feeling ...

It is apparently your "point" that somehow I'm the one belittling Morin. And that I'm blaming (??) him for how he handled his gift. Actually, you pompous DB, here's the funny thing ... I never once said OR intimated that Morin made a mistake. Go ahead, look it up, bozo. It's all on this thread. I'm actually going with the assumption Morin did exactly what he wanted to do with the $4.0M ... and if he made it with no strings attached, he basically told UNH that he's putting his money AND his trust in them, to do what they deem best with the money. If he wanted it to go to the library, maybe today it would be the "Dimond-Morin Library"? Probably tempting for a self-centered elitist blowhard like yourself ... but as JB has pointed out, significant funds were put into the library not so long before Morin's passing, and I'm sure working there every day, he was fully aware of that. For a quiet, modest guy who never let on that he had a pile of dough socked away for when he departed this life, it's clear you simply cannot fathom how a selfless general gift was more appealing to Morin??

And for someone who's claiming to be the one so finely tuned to today's "culture", what does it say about you that you'd equate Morin's motivation in making his gift should be driven by/tied to ... his workplace?!? I mean, if that's your measuring stick/guideline on how your estate gift will be distributed, I'm sure the local Burger King franchise will be feeling mighty kingly when you bestow your whopper (Whopper?) of an estate onto them. Imagine, "The Potluck Drive-Thru Lane at The Haverhill BK LLC" ... kind of rolls off the tongue, doesn't it? If that were me, and if I were to ignore that my estate would go to my surviving family, I can assure you the least likely beneficiary for an estate gift would be The Effingwoods Office Park. But in your mind, which is SO keenly attuned to modern day "culture" ... the librarian passes, so his gift goes to the library, because of course, you know better what he wanted than he did. Check.

You truly are a piece of work. Waiting eagerly for your next big reveal, they just seem to be getting better, as you dig the hole deeper ...

 

[Potluck]

JB: lol. Your posts are entertaining. You make adding funding to an athletic program seem like an impossible task. Oh, and doing a $25-$50 million dollar renovation. Just impossible. You know not a thing about politics. Zero. That’s all it is. It’s a STATE school.

Just think. Why did Sununu put $8 million in the budget for UNH? He wanted to. That’s friggin politics, jb. If the MAN wants it, he gets it. It’s not about the budget or belt tightening. It’s simple priorities. If you’re the priority, you get the money. That’s politics. Just change the narrative to fit the priority.

As for your argument that UNH is getting too expensive for in state students? The tuition hasn’t increased in 6 years. You obviously live under a rock if you believe $15,500 per year is too much tuition. UNH’s in state tuition is the second to lowest of all New England state schools. The lowest - UMaine. Relative to standard of living, UNHs is safely the lowest in New England.

And yet you complain. Why? Because paying money for anything is too much, right? Just go look for the mythical “rich” donor to cover it so you can pay nothing. You are NH to the core and precisely what ails our once proud University.

Btw, stop acting like you understand economics because it’s painful to read your nonsense. You’re just a dumbass looking for a free ride on someone else’s dime.

 

[Potluck]

To summarize “Buford” Chuck Murray’s post, he believes I’m an elitist snob because I brush my teeth and go to the dentist.

My response: guilty as charged.

As for the rest of your post, Buford? Sleep it off.

 

[Chuck Murray]

To summarize “Buford” Chuck Murray’s post, he believes I’m an elitist snob because I brush my teeth and go to the dentist.

My response: guilty as charged.

As for the rest of your post, Buford? Sleep it off.

No, Mike ... you're an elitist snob because that's how you think, write and (attempt to) express yourself. It oozes out of you. Your contempt for the deceased librarian was an eye-opener, even to me, with my already-low expectations for your content and contributions. There's really no telling how low you can go.

Honestly, if you do live up here, please go back to where you came from. If you do live south of the border, please stay right there. You all deserve each other.

 

[Potluck]

You are using examples of players who were developed locally from 20-50 years ago?

Grouchy: it’s still the municipal rinks that have the programs that teach kids to skate, get kids into hockey and get them to the point where they join the private club programs which are certainly changing kids hockey.

Indeed, hockey has traditionally been a socialist enterprise up until about the past 10-20 years. Nevertheless ask a college player where he learned to skate and where he started playing, he’ll almost always mention a public facility.

Those darn hockey socialists stealing hard earned money from the taxpayers to teach children to skate! Better get Trump to tear down the rinks to save taxpayer money! Hurray!!!!

 

[Potluck]

No, Mike ... you're an elitist snob because that's how you think, write and (attempt to) express yourself. It oozes out of you. Your contempt for the deceased librarian was an eye-opener, even to me, with my already-low expectations for your content and contributions. There's really no telling how low you can go.

Honestly, if you do live up here, please go back to where you came from. If you do live south of the border, please stay right there. You all deserve each other.

Buford: my contempt is for the people that marginalized the gift Morin made, which is the single most remarkable beautiful bequest I’ve even seen made to any university due to Morins unique circumstances, by blowing it on a scoreboard. Whst was done to him was contemptible and unforgivable.

To make things ever more nauseating, the committee that threw away his gift lied by saying that although he never showed interest in unh football while working at the library, they “heard” that when he was old and infirm he suddenly took an interest in watching unh football games on tv.

You of course think what was done to Morin was swell.

 

[TheGrouchyCat]

Grouchy: it’s still the municipal rinks that have the programs that teach kids to skate, get kids into hockey and get them to the point where they join the private club programs which are certainly changing kids hockey.

Indeed, hockey has traditionally been a socialist enterprise up until about the past 10-20 years. Nevertheless ask a college player where he learned to skate and where he started playing, he’ll almost always mention a public facility.

Those darn hockey socialists stealing hard earned money from the taxpayers to teach children to skate! Better get Trump to tear down the rinks to save taxpayer money! Hurray!!!!

It's parents that get their kids into hockey, not municipalities.

The world of hockey has changed and the house league feeder programs of the 60s, 70s, 80s and even early 90s are a thing of the past with 7 yr old kids playing on "elite teams" with a travel schedule of 70 games. Rather than a parent being able get their kid to play for a couple hundred bucks a season, it's now countless thousands just for the opportunity to play and that's even before the insane cost of equipment and the matching kit required for the Amesbury Junior Leafs...you know the uniforms, jackets, pom pom hats, etc that the kids wear which are of similar or better quality than most high school and college teams.

Of course, participation in Canada is also dropping significantly because of the associated costs required to play. Like it or not, hockey has evolved from a clue collar game to a rich boy sport whose families can afford $600/hr ice time, $400 sticks and $1000+ worth of equipment.

Even when I speak with members of the team, who have been gracious engaging with my young nephew, share that youth hockey has gotten too expensive and if their parents didn't have the means or didn't make significant financial sacrifice, they wouldn't have made Bantams, let alone a Div 1 program.

 

[TheGrouchyCat]

2 Items here.

1) Yes sometimes the State bonds improvements, sometimes you can get the State to provide money. HOWEVER as noted PAGES ago it actually appears the norm on these sorts of improvements at similar institutions to be philanthropically funded.

1a) Sununu put the money in his last budget, I assume continent on the University getting the other $8M. Now the University is in a process of right sizing from a budget short fall due to decreased enrollment. New Govern Ayotte has proposed a $8M/year decrease in State funding to the University.

2) "Painful for Students" - 80%+ of the funding already comes from the Students. It is cheaper for a NH resident to go to school in North Dakota or Wyoming on out of state tuition. Falling enrollment noted in 1a) is a problem. I am just going to assume you can pass an econ class and fill in the rest yourself... curious if you get the right answer in your next few posts.

P.S. would be nice if you had demonstrated a higher level of cognitive ability to this point

I have a college aged daughter studying Metallurgical Engineering. When she was looking at schools, UNH wasn't even on her radar because there were MUCH higher rated engineering programs, schools with better ROI and job placement, in other parts of the country at a fraction of the cost compared to the State's flagship.

 

[Snively65]

It's parents that get their kids into hockey, not municipalities.

The world of hockey has changed and the house league feeder programs of the 60s, 70s, 80s and even early 90s are a thing of the past with 7 yr old kids playing on "elite teams" with a travel schedule of 70 games. Rather than a parent being able get their kid to play for a couple hundred bucks a season, it's now countless thousands just for the opportunity to play and that's even before the insane cost of equipment and the matching kit required for the Amesbury Junior Leafs...you know the uniforms, jackets, pom pom hats, etc that the kids wear which are of similar or better quality than most high school and college teams.

Of course, participation in Canada is also dropping significantly because of the associated costs required to play. Like it or not, hockey has evolved from a clue collar game to a rich boy sport whose families can afford $600/hr ice time, $400 sticks and $1000+ worth of equipment.

Even when I speak with members of the team, who have been gracious engaging with my young nephew, share that youth hockey has gotten too expensive and if their parents didn't have the means or didn't make significant financial sacrifice, they wouldn't have made Bantams, let alone a Div 1 program.

Not sure how you attributed Potluck’s post to me when it was his?

In any case, kid’s hockey always has been pricey for parents, between monetary costs for equipment and time costs for early morning rides for ice time, even in Durham where I grew up, hence I played basketball instead while attending UNH games at the old outdoor Batchelder Rink, which had a footprint subsumed by Snively Arena. Fun story, a childhood friend dared his younger sister to lick the steel fence, which immediately froze her tongue to the metal. Ouch! None other than Whoop Snively came to her rescue with a hot cup of tea to unfreeze her tongue.