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Covfefe-19 The 11th Part: Suck It Up And Die Grandpa I Need A Manicure!!

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Out of respect for others I won't quote you, Jeb, but thanks for clearing up that you haven't in fact bothered to read what the actual study (that you touted!) said and instead just latched on to what the tweet's author wanted you to think.

You also still don't seem to understand that reducing aerosols in the air rather than preventing them from being breathed in is the value in having everyone "mask up"
 
I work for an autism treatment facility (big company, 3 centers in Kent County alone). In one of our centers, someone tested positive and that center refuses to close down and do a deep cleaning before reopening. Meanwhile, techs who work at that center are like "F you, I'm taking the rest of the week."
 
You also still don't seem to understand that reducing aerosols in the air rather than preventing them from being breathed in is the value in having everyone "mask up"

The mask thing is pretty easy- here's one study- https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs...3252?ref=pdf&# from Chicago that studies the effectiveness of various materials and combinations of materials in a study using flow and particle size of normal breathing.

The study separates the particle size data in >300nm and <300nm. The larger category nicely represents the size of aerosol that one breathes out, the smaller the aerosol that one breathes in, and while not quite understood, currently, the average COVID19 size in ~150nm.

So the study shows the effectiveness of blocking stuff as you breathe OUT and IN in the same study- and it clearly shows that masks can significantly reduce the amount of particles in both sets of sizes. One should note- they do clearly show that fit and leakage is very, very important. But it's interesting that there's clear data that shows a person how they can make a mask that is more effective than an N95 mask

Another study actually shows that the masks appear to be more effective than distancing- as even with the distancing issues that workers had in New York (having to use common travel methods), once masks were required, the drop in cases was dramatic. I posted that study before.

The great irony for people who want to force things to open- if you REALLY want to do that, requiring masks is a very economical way of doing it, as it will reduce the spread dramatically- both allowing businesses to be open and reducing the strain on the healthcare system.

I'm sure there are a lot more studies out there now- with different materials, and different combinations. And one should note that this isn't about making someone money selling masks, as many of these studies are about DIY masks, using materials you may have spare around the house. Or that is cheap at the store.

Unless there's a clear study that has real data that shows otherwise, and the method of testing is clear and representative of real breathing- the data of the effectiveness stands.

Here's what gets many of the right- early in the outbreak, we were told to not wear masks and that it only helps if you are sick. Since then, real data has been generated (multiple times) which has advanced the state of knowledge greatly. But they can't move on from the original statement. I've heard that exact line from real scientists, oddly enough. Once that actually tested the effectiveness of respirators. Instead of adding to the body of knowledge over cloth masks, they just regurgitated the line original line. For them, all that did was make me doubt their opinion- since I would have expected a scientist to WANT to add to the body of knowledge and state of the art instead of not.
 
Well it is the right thing to do...so most likely he will yes. Then the MNGOP and their droolers will talk about how it is tyranny or something.
 
Why the deceit from so much of the media when info is being provided? Why is context being eliminated?

“The usual panic brigade is at it again - and that includes MOST of the media who can't be bothered with facts. "120 New Deaths in Florida!" This is a great moment to explain WHY what you see in the press and on the dashboards ISN'T actually what's happening.”

https://mobile.twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1281274249097797633
 
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DeSantis: "If you can do Home Depot, if you can do Walmart, you can definitely do the schools."

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Jeb: I had a long post written saying that none of us would argue with your first post link (if it worked, I had to go to the users main page to find the article).

But I deleted that long post because The Atlantic has a succinct write up explaining better than I could why your Twitter link is full of sh*t.

the sad part is that article needed to be written at all. That we are expected to just accept increasing cases because "deaths are down" when other countries have almost eliminated new cases.

Why? Because politics. Just because we have a leader that can't admit that he's wrong, or that things he is doing isn't working- we are stuck in an area where the blind supporters of him accept whatever he says, no matter how absurd. So since he's gotten tired of dealing with the virus, everything is "go, go, go". As if the economic impact isn't a big deal when we have a bunch of very sick people in the hospital, or that many people will not travel at all because of the lack of response, and then we have people that are trying to force us to pretend this isn't a big deal.

I really hate where we have gotten, and many of my fellow citizens really embarrass me, and even make me feel shame that we just can't give a crap about people. On another board, I was accused of being polarizing since I thought it was sad that we are being told to accept death for the sake of the economy. Even when someone directly said that's what he wants to do.

jeb- these are preventable deaths. these are preventable hospitalizations (which costs money), this is preventable worker lack of productivity (they are sick). It's amazing that you can't see that it will cost WAY more money in the long run than if we actually prevent further spread of it. All of this can be preventable. We spend money preventing fewer deaths per year, for crying out loud. But you are just too stupid to accept that, apparently.

people like you make me ashamed of being an American. good job.
 
Governor Beshear orders mandatory wearing of masks in all public places, and brings on the other governor of Kentucky pleading with people to wear their masks. No doubt to sell some more tickets in the fall for SEC! SEC! but I’ll take his support on Beshear’s order for any reason at this point. Tomorrow, more people may actually be wearing masks, or the state may experience a profound shift overnight in support for the Louisville Cardinals.
 
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