Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Sayeth the guy who still thinks Bob and Joe were being sincere all the way to the end of their times on this board.
I do think they were sincere. They did not agree with us and they were smart as-ses about it, and they could be negligent at times with their rhetoric, but if that's the standard then I'm a troll too and so are half of the people who post here regularly. I will give you credit in this regard: you are not being hypocritical. You keep a tempered approach under all circumstances and frankly I wish I had your self-discipline and it's why I always include you as a model for a poster to emulate. dx was another and I hope he hasn't gone off permanently, I miss his level-headed posts.
I don't include myself as a model poster because (1) I'm obnoxious and disliked, and (2) I mean just look at this response. I could have said everything necessary in about 8 words. I couldn't be more verbose if Soros was paying me by the word. It's a f-cking self-parody of windbaggery.
Bob Gray would get p-ssed off and he had a bit of a martyr complex, but that doesn't make him a troll, it makes him a human being with an ideology that has convinced him he's better than us.
joecct wasn't a troll at all. Yeah, he could say things that didn't stand up to the highest standards of logic but, again, so could we all. There have been plenty of times when smarter people than I have pointed out the logical inconsistencies in my arguments and I have had to either eat it or own it and say along with Huck, "then I'll go to hell" and claim my ground with no logical footing at all.