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Swansong said:
Your two hypotheticals are:
  • a male will transition in order to play on his girlfriend's/family member's/whatever team to help push them over the hump.
  • a team might see a benefit and actively recruit trans athletes (that aren't inherently better at sports than cis athletes), and then other districts/schools/teams will copy that and then something something something cis athletes will be left off the team.
I mean, sure. I guess one or both of these could happen. Probably right around the time I go buy my second Ferrari.
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You got number one right. Number two what I’m envisioning is that in some sports, basketball and soccer are the two that come to mind first, is that you don’t even need someone good at those sports to make a big difference. If you could find a guy who is 6’2” and of average athletic ability he is quickly going to be best in show in a lot of places. Is that realistic? Obviously you would hope not. If it did start to happen in any sort of quanity would def diminish the game for cis women.
 
Jimjamesak said:
This whole discussion perfectly encapsulates any discussion on the issue.

RaceBoarder (the former athlete) raises an actual valid point regarding the science and biology of the issue.

Drew (the idiot) completely derails the discussion with dumb, wild hypotheticals.

geezer and Handy (the liberals who have little understanding of the actual issue) completely dismiss the whole discussion, mostly because of people like Drew.
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I don't dismiss the discussion, I dismiss the reasoning. I also dismiss the stats that get thrown around. Arguments like Drew's I ignore they are bs talking points with no basis in reality.

To me it comes down to whether the argument against outweighs the athletes right to compete. Sorry but as someone who athletically peaked in high school myself (well below Al Bundy status) I would have no issue with trans kids competing.

You want to argue pro and college sports I can support the more nuanced approach. High school and below just let them play. It is supposed to be about fun and fair play and the outrage makes it a way bigger deal than it should be.

I won't lie though my pushback is ten fold worse because of the crackpot arguments against Trans athletes. I will always fight against dehumanization and that is what a lot of it is. (Not in this thread for the most part) Plus, as I said, my girlfriend has a lot of Trans students so I hear the impact the rules have in the real world as opposed to the abstract.
 
Drew S. said:
You got number one right. Number two what I’m envisioning is that in some sports, basketball and soccer are the two that come to mind first, is that you don’t even need someone good at those sports to make a big difference. If you could find a guy who is 6’2” and of average athletic ability he is quickly going to be best in show in a lot of places. Is that realistic? Obviously you would hope not. If it did start to happen in any sort of quanity would def diminish the game for cis women.
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So, if one person takes advantage of a situation, we must ban the entire practice, just to be sure?

How American a solution that is. Spend all our time making sure people who (in our estimation) shouldn't do something, instead of focusing on those that should.
 
I can't help but think the kids these knuckle draggers think they are protecting are just embarrassed and depressed by these yahoos. Same as kids never asked for participation trophies - parents who wanted to live vicariously through their kids couldn't handle that Junior and Muffy weren't good enough to win so they started giving out trophies for 9th place. You think a kid is proud of a participation trophy? You think these kids are happy to have their crazy parents prying into the private lives (and private parts) of their friends?
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
What I found hilarious in the previous discussions on this in the gender thread was that cis females were the ones who didn’t get to have an opinion. I’m not at all implying trans women have it the same as cis women, just saying that the thread evolved to that point where I just had to laugh.
but also it was really kind of one or two people promoting that view.
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I wonder if we are just getting to a point where gender gets taken out of sports. (Not saying i want that mind you) not The Olympics or pro/college but in youth and even high school. That would be odd...

The whole conversation is hard because the way pronouns are used now is just different than we were all taught and it keeps evolving by the hour.

Honest question because I don't know...has there been any research into what the other athletes think at various levels? Forget parents what do kids think?

And fwiw I get the cis female side of the argument so you should never be shut down. Problem is cis females aren't the ones out in front arguing usually so you get lumped in with the trash humans and bs talking points people like Drew which is wrong.
 
Handyman said:
I wonder if we are just getting to a point where gender gets taken out of sports.
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Then no cis-woman will ever win any major competition again. I'm thinking that's not the goal 50 years after Title IX's enactment.

Edit: even just talking high school, I don't see it. It'd be dangerous in contact sports and even in golf/track/tennis/etc, girls would still be at such a disadvantage that they'd be highly unlikely to win any competition larger than a dual meet.

I could see it for youth sports where the kids are all pre puberty, but not beyond that.
 
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Handyman said:
I wonder if we are just getting to a point where gender gets taken out of sports. (Not saying i want that mind you) not The Olympics or pro/college but in youth and even high school. That would be odd...

The whole conversation is hard because the way pronouns are used now is just different than we were all taught and it keeps evolving by the hour.

Honest question because I don't know...has there been any research into what the other athletes think at various levels? Forget parents what do kids think?

And fwiw I get the cis female side of the argument so you should never be shut down. Problem is cis females aren't the ones out in front arguing usually so you get lumped in with the trash humans and bs talking points people like Drew which is wrong.
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They require a vaccination card. Did for my kids. Maybe we also need a testosterone level document on file. That's the key differentiator, right? That's a simple blood test. We did it for steroids, right?
 
Swansong said:
So, if one person takes advantage of a situation, we must ban the entire practice, just to be sure?

How American a solution that is. Spend all our time making sure people who (in our estimation) shouldn't do something, instead of focusing on those that should.
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Worked for lawn darts.

Funny how it doesn't work for guns. And we all know that Drew doesn't think it should work that way for guns.

But those icky f@gs or he-she's, or whatever they are..........
 
Swansong said:
So, if one person takes advantage of a situation, we must ban the entire practice, just to be sure?

How American a solution that is. Spend all our time making sure people who (in our estimation) shouldn't do something, instead of focusing on those that should.
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I’m fine letting people play whichever way they choose. Sports is constantly evolving and it wouldn’t shock me if there is advantage to be had coaches will try to use it.

It is true that instead of knuckleheads like me spouting off it should be people like DGF stating her opinion. I completely get why she’s a little apprehensive where it is so sensitive.
 
The reason I raised the question I did was basically what JJ pointed out.

Specifically it was the people that dismiss sports as "dumb" and "meaningless".

Every season, there are athletes (all genders) on teams that will be emotional during their final performance for their high school team because it will likely be the last time they do something as a "competitive" athlete. As an official, you are told that you are expected to do your absolute best because "Every Game/Match means SOMETHING to SOMEBODY". And that is absolutely true...

That was the point I was trying to make... Unfortunately that also gets lost on many here on this board because they feel that anything that is embraced by anyone with Conservative views automatically has to be bad. They take DERP stances, just with a POV from the Left ;-)
 
RaceBoarder said:
The reason I raised the question I did was basically what JJ pointed out.

Specifically it was the people that dismiss sports as "dumb" and "meaningless".

Every season, there are athletes (all genders) on teams that will be emotional during their final performance for their high school team because it will likely be the last time they do something as a "competitive" athlete. As an official, you are told that you are expected to do your absolute best because "Every Game/Match means SOMETHING to SOMEBODY". And that is absolutely true...

That was the point I was trying to make... Unfortunately that also gets lost on many here on this board because they feel that anything that is embraced by anyone with Conservative views automatically has to be bad. They take DERP stances, just with a POV from the Left ;-)
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Yeah, high school championships are easily the most stressful to officiate outside of FIFA and Olympic level events, it means so much to so many people. I've had to help kids up off the the field after losing a state championship game in overtime.

I do agree with Handy that allowing kids to participate should be the default though.
 
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