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Well if that is the defense it is a bunch of crap imho. I have been less than impressed so far with the Garland DOJ I am not going to lie.
 
Handyman said:
Well if that is the defense it is a bunch of crap imho. I have been less than impressed so far with the Garland DOJ I am not going to lie.
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Really? Because whatever the liberals do, the GOP will weaponize it and use it to destroy us. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

I tend to think it's better for the WH to stay out of the daily business of the DOJ. The only way this gets worse is if the biden admin meddles, then all of a sudden it's perfectly ok for the DOJ to receive marching orders from the White House. Yes, the conservatives will still do it. But I don't think it's a better country of the Dems start doing it too.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Really? Because whatever the liberals do, the GOP will weaponize it and use it to destroy us. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

I tend to think it's better for the WH to stay out of the daily business of the DOJ. The only way this gets worse is if the biden admin meddles, then all of a sudden it's perfectly ok for the DOJ to receive marching orders from the White House. Yes, the conservatives will still do it. But I don't think it's a better country of the Dems start doing it too.
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Sorry but fuck that. I am so sick and tired of liberals not doing the right thing for fear of reprisal. That is chicken shit BS and that is a fucking loser mentality and it is why our country is on the brink of collapse. The liberals are the whiny person in the action film who is so scared they get themselves killed instead of jumping and getting to safety.

I never advocated for Biden to intervene. The question is about why Garland feels he needs to have the DOJ defend Trump in the Carroll suit. And now they are trying to replace him in the suit since he was a Government employee so to me it looks even worse. (to the public)

The DOJ should not be defending Trump. They are all but guaranteeing zero justice for Carroll.

As for the Insurrectionists...I am 100% with Scooby. (and you know me well enough to know that isn't usually the case) The kid gloves these traitors have been treated with is friggin disgusting and the DOJ isn't even really putting up much of a fight about it. Low level drug offenders get treated worse...
 
https://apnews.com/article/donald-t...and-politics-96054d62518a7be4c3f30231f51beaf5

The Senate report is the first — and could be the last — bipartisan review of how hundreds of Trump supporters were able to push violently past security lines and break into the Capitol that day, interrupting the certification of Joe Biden’s presidential election victory. It recommends immediate changes to give the Capitol Police chief more authority, to provide better planning and equipment for law enforcement and to streamline intelligence gathering among federal agencies.

As a bipartisan effort, the report does not delve into the root causes of the attack, including Trump’s role as he called for his supporters to “fight like hell” to overturn his election defeat that day. It does not call the attack an insurrection, even though it was. And it comes two weeks after Republicans blocked a bipartisan, independent commission that would investigate the insurrection more broadly.
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The Senate Report is a joke. The arrests are a joke. I don't think this country is going to come to terms with January 6th. And if it doesn't something worse is going to happen.
 
It’s the classic, if you’re for tolerance, then how can you be intolerant of intolerance “paradox.”

If you’re for democracy and the rule of law, you may feel hesitant to use “authoritarian” or unprecedented legal means to defend it. People feel like they have to win the “right” way (e.g. without abolishing the filibuster) so they end up losing the right way instead.

Steps in order:

1. Secure the premises.
2. Worry about vacuuming the floors and washing the dishes.
 
Handyman said:
I never advocated for Biden to intervene. The question is about why Garland feels he needs to have the DOJ defend Trump in the Carroll suit. And now they are trying to replace him in the suit since he was a Government employee so to me it looks even worse. (to the public)

The DOJ should not be defending Trump. They are all but guaranteeing zero justice for Carroll.
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It's the same reason the ACLU defends or fights reprehensible speech or activities. You can't pick and choose.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...f30231f51beaf5

The Senate Report is a joke. The arrests are a joke. I don't think this country is going to come to terms with January 6th. And if it doesn't something worse is going to happen.
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My fear is that sooner rather than later more lefties are going to see that the Dems are doing nothing, and they will decide to show up armed at the next Meal Team Six hot dog roast. That is when it is truly going to get very ugly and Charlottesville and 1/6 are going to look like child's play in comparison. Republicans will then weaponize such a bloodbath as a far-left takeover attempt going into the midterms and/or 2024, and that combined with any sort of economic slide is going to be all the spin they need to convince voters to sweep them into power. It will then become permanent after they pass sweeping federal legislation to restrict and suppress the vote and allow them to just flat-out overturn results they don't agree with.

Now, I'm sure we'll get Hovey here to tell Handy and I that we have very active imaginations and to stop being hysterical and just chill out.
 
SJHovey said:
It's the same reason the ACLU defends or fights reprehensible speech or activities. You can't pick and choose.
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No, that isn't it.

The ACLU is holding to matters of principle and therefore they try not to make those distinctions. Indeed, the classic Areopagitica defense of free speech takes this exact approach, saying we must even allow the most insidious, dangerous, and evil group (Atheists) their rights in order to protect the good majority should their rights ever be abridged someday. Denial of freedom to one is a denial to all.

Likewise, in a Court proceeding guaranteeing equality under the law, all parties have to apply matters of law impartially no matter what kind of scumbag the defendant is.

But the DOJ defense of Dump against one of his dozens of rape suits is not a matter of their statutory requirements, it's a convention. Given that Dump and his cadre have no respect for democratic norms or the separation of the judicial from partisan politics it would have been entirely appropriate for the DOJ to cut him loose.

We are obliged to protect the rights and liberties of those who sign on to the American contract. Those who break it and fap to a dream of a dictatorship, like the contemporary GOP and 75% of Republican voters, are in my mind no longer entitled to all of the protections of the laws they wish to destroy.

The Nazis used the Weimar constitution to destroy it. We cannot let the American Right do that here. The millions or hundreds of millions of dead and tormented by Nazis with Nukes is a moral claim of greater authority than a foolish consistency.

You showed us what you are. You are no longer Americans.
 
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My fear is that sooner rather than later more lefties are going to see that the Dems are doing nothing, and they will decide to show up armed at the next Meal Team Six hot dog roast. That is when it is truly going to get very ugly and Charlottesville and 1/6 are going to look like child's play in comparison. Republicans will then weaponize such a bloodbath as a far-left takeover attempt going into the midterms and/or 2024, and that combined with any sort of economic slide is going to be all the spin they need to convince voters to sweep them into power. It will then become permanent after they pass sweeping federal legislation to restrict and suppress the vote and allow them to just flat-out overturn results they don't agree with.

Now, I'm sure we'll get Hovey here to tell Handy and I that we have very active imaginations and to stop being hysterical and just chill out.
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Nah. Active imaginations produce beautiful movies and books and music. You guys drove off the cliff months ago.
 
Handyman said:
I am so sick and tired of liberals not doing the right thing for fear of reprisal.
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dx's assessment and fear is real, and we have the receipts --> Reid's nuclear option becomes McConnell's play toy.


(And don't think the same wouldn't come true regarding filibuster.)
 
The Sicatoka said:
dx's assessment and fear is real, and we have the receipts --> Reid's nuclear option becomes McConnell's play toy.


(And don't think the same wouldn't come true regarding filibuster.)
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As if the GOP would not have done it anyway.

Show me where we did a Garland before the Nazis did.
 
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