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D1 Coaching Changes

ARM said:
She has two previous one-year stints as his assistant coach (plus three as a player), so she should at least be the devil he knows.
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Does anyone know what her salary was at Hamline and what it will be at "the U"? I seem to remember a rumor when she was first hired at Hamline that she was going to make over $70K but I can't imagine that was true.

I also thought she sid she didn't want to coach in D1 because of the travel schedule, the reruiting, and general long periods of time away from home. I guess she has changed her mind. I'd say she has her sights set on Frosty's job. I give it 5 years before he's out and she's in. This is a very crafty move on her part.
 
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shelfit said:
I'd say she has her sights set on Frosty's job. I give it 5 years before he's out and she's in. This is a very crafty move on her part.
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I don't see how Frosty's job will ever be in danger. Dude has an impressive resume obviously and even a cold streak as far as Natty's go like MJ had should not endanger his job as MN will always be a top 6 team and always make the NCAA's (unless they get screwed again in another pandemic year, which will never happen again). I was glad no WI assistants got poached. I would never understand why someone would ever go from here to there, but I mean everyone has lapses of good judgement in their lives, right?
 
Agreed re Frosty, unless he left for another role. As to the compensation comment, It was reported Crowell’s salary on her new contract was around 190k plus annual increases. That’s for a coach who hasn’t won a national championship. Perhaps that resets the market a bit and creates pressure on Minnesota to pay someone like Darwitz her worth (definitely in excess of 70k!). curious to see at what point one of the assistants is named associate head coach.

At the same time I think certain Minnesota coaches in other sports took pay cuts recently? So maybe no room for women’s hockey raises? But if UMD is somehow doing it....
 
Lindsay said:
Agreed re Frosty, unless he left for another role. As to the compensation comment, It was reported Crowell’s salary on her new contract was around 190k plus annual increases. That’s for a coach who hasn’t won a national championship. Perhaps that resets the market a bit and creates pressure on Minnesota to pay someone like Darwitz her worth (definitely in excess of 70k!). curious to see at what point one of the assistants is named associate head coach.

At the same time I think certain Minnesota coaches in other sports took pay cuts recently? So maybe no room for women’s hockey raises? But if UMD is somehow doing it....
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After the Old Battle Axe fiasco, UMD has to go over and above with the HC $$.
 
Lindsay said:
Agreed re Frosty, unless he left for another role. As to the compensation comment, It was reported Crowell’s salary on her new contract was around 190k plus annual increases. That’s for a coach who hasn’t won a national championship. Perhaps that resets the market a bit and creates pressure on Minnesota to pay someone like Darwitz her worth (definitely in excess of 70k!). curious to see at what point one of the assistants is named associate head coach.

At the same time I think certain Minnesota coaches in other sports took pay cuts recently? So maybe no room for women’s hockey raises? But if UMD is somehow doing it....
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$190K?!?! Wow,I should have gotten into coaching after graduation. Joking aside, so are you saying that Darwitz was in fact making $70K+ at Hamline? If that's true then that would probably be another reason the rest of the MIAC coaches hated her. Lmao. Any idea how much Mike Carroll makes? Seems like he's the other coach everyone loves to hate.
 
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shelfit said:
$190K?!?! Wow,I should have gotten into coaching after graduation. Joking aside, so are you saying that Darwitz was in fact making $70K+ at Hamline? If that's true then that would probably be another reason the rest of the MIAC coaches hated her. Lmao. Any idea how much Mike Carroll makes? Seems like he's the other coach everyone loves to hate.
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For private schools it's much harder to nail down salary info than state schools, especially at the DIII level. From SeeThroughNY where NY public employee salary numbers are posted, the Plattsburgh's coach is significantly north of $70k at this point in his career, but he has seven nattys and has been on NY state payroll since 1989 when he started as the assistant on the men's team so the seniority also bolsters that. The stereotype is that private schools tend to spend more on athletics than state so I wouldn't be shocked if someone like Mike Carroll who has coached baseball and women's hockey in 24 years at GAC surpasses him.

Most DIII coaches who are at the top end of the salary spectrum have longevity as well as merit. There aren't many with over 20 years left. Mandigo has 33 years at Middlebury (includes years preceding women's hockey), Houle has 31 years combined service at Plattsburgh. Joe Cranston has 21 years at River Falls (and his bio doesn't indicate if he did anything there prior to the program's inception, but he is an alumn so it wouldn't shock me). Kristin Steele (Conn College) and Dave Clausen (Utica) are both going into season 20 respectively. Those would be my guess for the highest DIII women's hockey coaching salaries based on years served. Norwich and Elmira might be paying comparable salaries to top DIII salaries because that's where the programs perform but that's just a hypothesis.

But none of it is bigger than what they can get at DI. Using the SUNY system as an example. The DI HCs for the big sports all outearn the highest paid DIII coaches by multiples and there are assistant coaches who out earn the DIII HCs as well
 
shelfit said:
$190K?!?! Wow,I should have gotten into coaching after graduation. Joking aside, so are you saying that Darwitz was in fact making $70K+ at Hamline? If that's true then that would probably be another reason the rest of the MIAC coaches hated her. Lmao. Any idea how much Mike Carroll makes? Seems like he's the other coach everyone loves to hate.
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no idea about the salaries anywhere unless it’s reported.

Darwitz’s bio is remarkable in pretty much every way. I didn’t realize she took the Hamline job right before her first child was born. Really impressive by both school and her to make that work, and she got results and is off to a new challenge years later. Cool to have her back in the WCHA.
 
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CROSS BAR said:
Now that MacDonald was let go, who will take over St. Cloud? Siergiej?
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Interesting. The last time they just hired the assistant and that really didn't gain them anything, so I'm guessing they will want a fresh start; the press release did say they would do a national search. I wonder if either WI assistant coach will take a look. I think Muzzy wants a new challenge. Wink.
 
Timothy A said:
Interesting. The last time they just hired the assistant and that really didn't gain them anything, so I'm guessing they will want a fresh start; the press release did say they would do a national search. I wonder if either WI assistant coach will take a look. I think Muzzy wants a new challenge. Wink.
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He was fired ~ three months shy of three years. Two of those years were a pandemic followed by mass chaos as people transferred from one roster to another. Did he do great at SCSU? No. With the roster he inherited, would we have expected him to do better? Probably not. Sharing a conference with four teams that made the NCAA Tournament, a St. Thomas team that is likely going to improve rapidly, a Mankato team that came close to knocking UMD out in the quarters, and a BSU team that is always difficult to play against, it wouldn't shock me if we're having the same conversation in another three years.
 
Timothy A said:
I wonder if either WI assistant coach will take a look. I think Muzzy wants a new challenge. Wink.
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Joking aside...The muzzinator would immediatly have better facilities and video production for games with SCSU than the yuckeyes. Plus be in the heart of the prime recruiting area of the country.
 
Still Eeyore said:
Until St Cloud starts to think of its women's hockey team as anything more than the necessary Title IX balance to the men's team, a coaching change isn't going to make any difference.
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I think the fact that they let their coach go proves the opposite of what you’re saying. If that’s all they thought of the program they wouldn’t worry about the record as long as the players and coaches caused the Adminstration no headaches.
 
FiveHoleFrenzy said:
Joking aside...The muzzinator would immediatly have better facilities and video production for games with SCSU than the yuckeyes. Plus be in the heart of the prime recruiting area of the country.
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I think what you are saying is there is a chance! Someone send her a job application.
 
Offsides Guy said:
I think the fact that they let their coach go proves the opposite of what you’re saying. If that’s all they thought of the program they wouldn’t worry about the record as long as the players and coaches caused the Adminstration no headaches.
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It can't be about the record, especially if he was hired in 2019. For a Division 1 coach to be let go because of their record (and that's assuming the Administration actually cared about Win/Loss) their performance should be evaluated after at least 6-7 years, once the coach has all their own recruits. It seems like the programs that always lose are the ones whose coaches have the constant revolving door. Yes, you can say that maybe it's the coaches that have been hired, but the dominant theme is that these programs constantly lose. Why is that? Kids in losing programs have very loud voices. If a coach comes in and wants to make a change -- and the Administration doesn't support that change and/or does not want to deal with the headache involved with making the changes -- loud voices typically prevail. Again, you have to ask yourself why all the bottom D1 programs are usually the ones who are looking to hiring within 3-4 years. And also why these programs never improve.
 
pucko said:
It can't be about the record, especially if he was hired in 2019. For a Division 1 coach to be let go because of their record (and that's assuming the Administration actually cared about Win/Loss) their performance should be evaluated after at least 6-7 years, once the coach has all their own recruits. It seems like the programs that always lose are the ones whose coaches have the constant revolving door. Yes, you can say that maybe it's the coaches that have been hired, but the dominant theme is that these programs constantly lose. Why is that? Kids in losing programs have very loud voices. If a coach comes in and wants to make a change -- and the Administration doesn't support that change and/or does not want to deal with the headache involved with making the changes -- loud voices typically prevail. Again, you have to ask yourself why all the bottom D1 programs are usually the ones who are looking to hiring within 3-4 years. And also why these programs never improve.
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BINGO!! You nailed it! When there's a turnstile at the door, it's the school not supporting the coach. They are afraid of the voices of the discontent, and that includes whining players and their whining parents. Those types of players with those types of parents are a plague in our sport. They are easily replaceable, except more often than not you're just replacing whiners with whiners and that's a no-win situation. Support a coach through the years of turning over what is inherited with what the new coach recruits in, and then make a truer evaluation of things. Unfortunately a lot of times new recruits come in fresh and excited only to have their attitudes slowly poisoned by the majority already in place on the team and then those recruits start to become whiners too. It's a tough situation no matter how you look at it.
 
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