I do think that article does a good job of expressing the real and serious concern that a still-circulating virus, even if if the severity is very mild for most, will continue to further mutate and potentially mutate into a new variant and here we go again. Having a good booster (like the two BA.1+ booster candidates) would increase protection from infection. Hell, a second booster of the current approved vaccines would be helpful for that. But the FDA continues to twiddle its thumbs on this.
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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020
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wolverineTrumpet
not particularly bad
are we at the point where the end game is like the flu shot? take a best guess at what the strain will be that year and vaccines are made based on that for a yearly shot?
I don't know enough about the mutation rate of this virus vs. influenza to make an educated statement on that. It wouldn't surprise me if we had yearly boosters as immunity from infection seems fairly short. However, are the boosters going to need to be recajiggered yearly? No idea.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Does mutation follow a path towards less lethality over time? Like in the beginning the early mutations jump around a lot but then as there are more mutations out there further mutations tend to be less and less virulent?
Did pre-19th century plagues recur because of new mutations or because immunity lapsed and then the same old variant just ripped through the gen pop again?
Did pre-19th century plagues recur because of new mutations or because immunity lapsed and then the same old variant just ripped through the gen pop again?
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dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Not necessarily. I remember reading this was a commonly told myth earlier on in the pandemic.
Sometimes? The best analogy I read was to think of a car. Infectivity is the driver. Severity is in the car as a passenger. Other aspects are passengers. The ability for the virus to continue relies entirely on its infectiousness. Severity, as the front seat passenger, has a large effect on the driver, but the infectiousness, as the driver, is still in control. If the severity is high, the patient won't have much of an opportunity to spread, regardless of how infectious the virus may be.
Think Ebola or Marburg vs. HIV. Ebola and Marburg are extremely severe and show obvious symptoms very soon. As such, a patient infected with either will tend to show symptoms - and possibly die - fairly soon. Meanwhile, HIV can linger for many years without showing symptoms, giving the patient much opportunity to spread it. HIV is not as infectious as ebola, however HIV has infected orders of magnitude more people than ebola or Marburg.
Then, to further complicate the question, people acquire immunity. Getting vaccinated is similar to being infected, as far as your immune system is concern. And being vaccinated and/or infected will reduce the severity (usually) as your body is better equipped to fight it off. Also, some infections/vaccines offer a long immunity that effectively last a given person's lifetime.
So yeah, great question with a very complicated answer. Yes with a "but". Or No with a "well maybe".
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
leswp1
Well-known member
papa in law les was admitted to hospital and found to have Covid incidentally. Learning experience. No need to notify contacts. mr les was in car with him for a long time, unmasked. So with exposure you might want to be careful until you know if you got it, right? Nope. Oh, no big deal. No need to be careful. Only test if you have sx. Lots of people are getting it and are asymptomatic.
papa in law is getting discharged today- no follow up testing, no instructions on how to keep those in his home safe, nothing. He lives with an at risk, unvaccinated older person. WT F
I feel like I am living in an alternate universe. No one cares if there might be an at risk person in the home? No one cares you are sending a vector into the community with people who are at risk?
So on the one hand reading all sorts of stuff about the long term effects of Covid on brain, reinfection of covid has potential for significant irreversible consequences, long covid may affect 1:5 people and other little tidbits saying we really should be paying attention to this stuff. But the CDC seems to care only if the economy is good and if you land in the ICU or a coffin. The messaging from CDC sucks and my trained in Public Health self is feeling gaslighted- I know bad things are there but NO THEY AREN'T! We are FINE
papa in law is getting discharged today- no follow up testing, no instructions on how to keep those in his home safe, nothing. He lives with an at risk, unvaccinated older person. WT F
I feel like I am living in an alternate universe. No one cares if there might be an at risk person in the home? No one cares you are sending a vector into the community with people who are at risk?
So on the one hand reading all sorts of stuff about the long term effects of Covid on brain, reinfection of covid has potential for significant irreversible consequences, long covid may affect 1:5 people and other little tidbits saying we really should be paying attention to this stuff. But the CDC seems to care only if the economy is good and if you land in the ICU or a coffin. The messaging from CDC sucks and my trained in Public Health self is feeling gaslighted- I know bad things are there but NO THEY AREN'T! We are FINE
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
I think we should be careful about how we're measuring long covid because there isn't a concrete definition of what it actually is, nor do we assess the severity or length of symptoms very well. When I get a simple cold, I get knocked on my ass for a week and have a lingering cough for weeks. Most people are fully healthy within 3-5 days. Do I have long-rhinovirus?
One study I saw in one of the big journals showed that long covid (for however that study defined it) is almost indiscernible in numbers from background. Another study showed that long covid is about as problematic as "long influenza" for people hospitalized with influenza. Another yet suggested that long covid is a result of trauma, which can by the trauma of going through a pandemic and it manifesting with physical symptoms. I wish I had bookmarked these.
I would also be extremely cautious with any study that says there's a permanent disability from long covid for anything beyond a very, very small fraction of the population. We haven't seen disability numbers increase, they've gone down during the course of the pandemic. Certainly even that statistic should be viewed with caution as it probably has some survivor's bias wrapped in among other things.
But long covid and permanent disabilities just aren't showing up in the data. They exist, no one is denying that. But nowhere near the numbers some grifters like EFD are stating.
Edit: one thing to clarify, obviously it doesn't make it any better that long-influenza and long-covid potentially have similarities. It means that all viral diseases are potentially dangerous long after the acute phase passes. We're also seeing that with E-BV the more research that comes out. Anyways, my point isn't to say it doesn't exist. It does. I just think there's a lot of potentially bad information out there.
One study I saw in one of the big journals showed that long covid (for however that study defined it) is almost indiscernible in numbers from background. Another study showed that long covid is about as problematic as "long influenza" for people hospitalized with influenza. Another yet suggested that long covid is a result of trauma, which can by the trauma of going through a pandemic and it manifesting with physical symptoms. I wish I had bookmarked these.
I would also be extremely cautious with any study that says there's a permanent disability from long covid for anything beyond a very, very small fraction of the population. We haven't seen disability numbers increase, they've gone down during the course of the pandemic. Certainly even that statistic should be viewed with caution as it probably has some survivor's bias wrapped in among other things.
But long covid and permanent disabilities just aren't showing up in the data. They exist, no one is denying that. But nowhere near the numbers some grifters like EFD are stating.
Edit: one thing to clarify, obviously it doesn't make it any better that long-influenza and long-covid potentially have similarities. It means that all viral diseases are potentially dangerous long after the acute phase passes. We're also seeing that with E-BV the more research that comes out. Anyways, my point isn't to say it doesn't exist. It does. I just think there's a lot of potentially bad information out there.
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This is 6 months old at this point but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IggRHgrIXeg
Hey, We beat it, if it was ever even a thing, right?
leswp1
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I keep waiting for all the people I know who died to pop out of the ground and say only kidding!! because they can't die from an imaginary disease
Clearly it's all a false flag, or people that were going to die anyway and "they" just lied about the cause.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Completely anecdotal but since I have now had my bout with the virus I figure I can pipe in.
My bout was pretty mild. A co-workers bout with the virus around the same time was horrid and with 104 degree temperature. I never even took my temperature cause I never felt that hot.
The delta between my co-worker and me? I'm vaccinated.
It was pretty disappointing to me that I finally tested positive. However, now that I have had it I am convinced I had it in March of 2020 as well, back before we were testing or keeping track or even knew about it cause the Orange Fuckwop kept it a secret. So, I've had it twice.
My bout was pretty mild. A co-workers bout with the virus around the same time was horrid and with 104 degree temperature. I never even took my temperature cause I never felt that hot.
The delta between my co-worker and me? I'm vaccinated.
It was pretty disappointing to me that I finally tested positive. However, now that I have had it I am convinced I had it in March of 2020 as well, back before we were testing or keeping track or even knew about it cause the Orange Fuckwop kept it a secret. So, I've had it twice.
MichVandal
Well-known member
I’m still rather amazed by some of the excuses that I see for unvaccinated on the cruise board. Especially missing the entire point of what the vaccine is supposed to do.
At this point, for the unvaxxord, COVID is still one of the leading causes of death in the US, but never mind that.
At this point, for the unvaxxord, COVID is still one of the leading causes of death in the US, but never mind that.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Good.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
I think Disney is the only cruise line left requiring vax
MichVandal
Well-known member
Thing is, destinations still require it. Kind of an easy out for the ships.
Still, the ships can’t take care of anyone who is serious- so when that happens, it will be interesting.
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