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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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Swansong said:
I've read this too. Not sure what to think about it. The issue is that it takes so little viral load of omicron to infect someone, that the rapid tests may not be sensitive enough to detect it those first day or two.

Honestly, I think for many of us, Omicron will burn out before this is properly vetted and acted upon. But Omicron is going to surge in various regions the same way Delta and other variants have - just much, much more quickly.
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Yeah, this is my thought as well. We don't have time with Omicron. It's (like, I believe, you and others have said) probably the most infectious disease in history. An insanely lucky break for humanity. I'm on record saying I think February 2022 looks a hell of a lot closer to December 2019 than even pre-Delta. However, I'd be lying if I didn't have a small naive worry in the back of my head that this thing mutates to just as infectious, but far more deadly. Perhaps that's impossible without also exposing more of the spike and its receptors that antibodies bind to thus giving us a better immune response. Holiday Inn Express degrees like mine only get us so far. :-)
 
Swansong said:
To piggyback off that MN data, in Miami-Dade right now, 29% unvaccinated population make up 70% of hospital admissions.


But yeah, vaccines totes don't work.
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I agree, it is pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that the vaccines continue to be effective even in the face of Omicron - definitely against severe disease and also against infection and transmission in the first place (to a lesser extent).

Massachusetts is about to start compiling data differentiating between who presented at the hospital because of covid sickness and who incidentally tested positive while they were there for other reasons. Anyone want to take a bet at weather the vaccinated or unvaccinated group has more people who were going to the hospital for another reason and happened to test positive for Covid while they were there?
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
That’s been out for over a week now. I’d get behind the hypothesis based on the data I’ve seen.

careful on Twitter, you’re just trying to stir up drama ;) without Twitter I’d be missing updates from some good epis
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OTOH, I think personal biases towards a specific solution are getting in the way for some. Like I've said so many times, Mina proselytizes rapid tests like none other. However, he's kind of tied his entire cart to that horse and my dumb a-ss thinks he's becoming a little blind to the fact that false negatives are a major issue with these things. When rapids were thought to detect within a day (plus or minus) of symptoms, they were a great solution. If they miss, consistently, 1-3 days after symptoms, maybe not so much. Fast turnaround PCRs (read as: dramatic increase in capacity) or more sensitive antigen tests are absolutely needed if we're going to live in an omicron world.

To your point, I agree and think it's good to get a broad set of perspectives rather than focus on one solution or view.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
OTOH, I think personal biases towards a specific solution are getting in the way of others. Like I've said so many times, Mina proselytizes rapid tests like none other. However, he's kind of tied his entire cart to that horse and my dumb a-ss thinks he's becoming a little blind to the fact that false negatives are a major issue with these things. Fast turnaround PCRs (read as: dramatic increase in capacity) or more sensitive antigen tests are absolutely needed if we're going to live in an omicron world.

To your point, I agree and think it's good to get a broad set of perspectives rather than focus on one solution or view.
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Pcr testing ability should have been ramped up ages ago- my biggest beef with this admin re Covid
 
ericredaxe said:
I agree, it is pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that the vaccines continue to be effective even in the face of Omicron - definitely against severe disease and also against infection and transmission in the first place (to a lesser extent).

Massachusetts is about to start compiling data differentiating between who presented at the hospital because of covid sickness and who incidentally tested positive while they were there for other reasons. Anyone want to take a bet at weather the vaccinated or unvaccinated group has more people who were going to the hospital for another reason and happened to test positive for Covid while they were there?
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I don’t really understand how you segregate them. I mean maybe for a car crash or something like that but my expectation would be Covd makes any condition worse and how do you apportion blame between the underlying condition and Covid?
 
Drew S. said:
I don’t really understand how you segregate them. I mean maybe for a car crash or something like that but my expectation would be Covd makes any condition worse and how do you apportion blame between the underlying condition and Covid?
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Well, any physical injury for sure. Beyond that, I don't know. I'll let the medical professionals sort that out.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Oddly, ACB seems to be leaning towards OSHA has the authority, but only in more narrow cases (healthcare workers, meatpackers, etc.)
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And oddly, I find myself agreeing with this take. They clearly have the authority to impose it on sectors where pathogen exposure is unavoidable. White collar paper-pushers who can meet over Zoom and do all their work remotely are another matter that is likely best left to the leadership of individual firms. I know there are folks here who won't agree with that, but that's how I see it having now been on both sides of the coin.
 
“The common cold is generally not lethal, with some rare exceptions”, the Digital Health Lab explains. “The flu, which is deadlier than the common cold, killed 0.1% of the people who contracted it in 2019. It is still too early to discern accurate global death estimates for people who have contracted COVID-19, but estimates have ranged from 1% to 25% of all cases, depending on the country”.

The experts argue that a conservative death rate of 1% would therefore make COVID-19 at least 10 times as deadly as the flu, and therefore “significantly more lethal” than the common cold.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...m-the-common-cold-than-covid-19-idUSKCN26D0XT

Yeah, it's the fucking cold.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKCN26D0XT

Yeah, it's the fucking cold.
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Stick a PCR test up everyone’s nose for rhinovirus at 40+ cycles that dies and you can make the numbers whatever you would like.

Stick a PCR test up everyone’s nose at 40+ cycles for rhinovirus including healthy people with no symptoms and you can have as many cases as you would like.


Covid is a cold or less for 80-90% of people.

Lay low until your 4th shot is ready Covidian. Then probably continue to lay low.


How and When They Strike

Cold viruses have a lot in common, but each type has its own style, too.

Rhinovirus. This bunch is most active in early fall, spring, and summer. They cause 10%-40% of colds. You'll feel plenty miserable when you catch one, but the good news is they rarely make you seriously sick.

Coronavirus. These tend to do their dirty work in the winter and early spring. The coronavirus is the cause of about 20% of colds. There are more than 30 kinds, but only three or four affect people.

RSV and parainfluenza. These viruses cause 20% of colds. They sometimes lead to severe infections, like pneumonia, in young children.
 
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ericredaxe said:
Well, any physical injury for sure. Beyond that, I don't know. I'll let the medical professionals sort that out.
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If they are admitted for a broken dipshit bone and test positive on admission, they need to be isolated just like someone admitted due to Covid (albeit for a shorter window), but I do think there's value in demarking this in reporting.

I attended a surge planning meeting today. Most of the people admitted are sick with Covid, not here for something else but covid positive. That won't always be the case (christ, I hope not) and it makes sense to start differentiating now.
 
Swansong said:
If they are admitted for a broken dip**** bone and test positive on admission, they need to be isolated just like someone admitted due to Covid (albeit for a shorter window), but I do think there's value in demarking this in reporting.

I attended a surge planning meeting today. Most of the people admitted are sick with Covid, not here for something else but covid positive. That won't always be the case (christ, I hope not) and it makes sense to start differentiating now.
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New York has its first official breakdown of what share of people are hospitalized for COVID vs. how many are hospitalized with incidental COVID. In NYC it's 49% for COVID, everyone else just happened to test positive.

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ScoobyDoo said:
Wait, a Supreme is dipping into politics? I thought that was sort of forbidden?
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Yikes

Sotomayor: “over 100,000 children…in serious condition, many on ventilators" Is Fauci advising Justice Sotomayor? Will YouTube censor her?


For the record there is approximately 5k hospital admissions for under 18, and no not in serious condition and very few on vents.

And again as it needs to be repeatedly pointed out many of these (5k) unfortunate kids that are admitted to the hospital, it has nothing to do with Covid.

The Supreme Court is a clown show. The idea that these nine individuals carry incredible wisdom is being debunked in real time.



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