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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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Great— get your boosters, wear 2 masks, do whatever you want. Just know that those things do not magically make you healthy. Unless you focus on treating your body as a temple, nutrition, exercise, mindfulness, and lifestyle, you’ll continue to be chronically sick.
 
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00493-4/fulltext

In peer reviewed prospective observational study of 1,072,313 patients, UK group unable to tell the difference between vaccine effects and COVID-19. Disentangling post-vaccination symptoms from early COVID-19

What do the vaccines and COVID have in common? Spike protein.

The big difference is that the vaccines cause the body and immune system to deal with a large quantity of Spike over a short period of time. Very different from the natural infection.
 
MichVandal said:
How would that actually change behavior? Especially for the unvaccinated who will likely blow off the testing if anyone in the family gets sick.

I honestly don't see more testing changing critical behavior what so ever.

Remember, half of the early response was to eliminate more tests. So even more testing was fought.
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Because it might change enough people to go from the effective reproduction number of 1-2 to under 1. Maybe. Just maybe.

You cut fire breaks in forest fires that constitute even a tiny percentage of the land and that can help control a fire thousands of acres large.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Because it might change enough people to go from the effective reproduction number of 1-2 to under 1. Maybe. Just maybe.

You cut fire breaks in forest fires that constitute even a tiny percentage of the land and that can help control a fire thousands of acres large.
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We have almost 2 solid years of info on how to battle this virus, and testing was one of the early ones.

And it was delayed, fought, etc.

The people to whom it would matter if they would know that info is very unlikely to do anything about it- between just testing when they get sick, or even quarantining when they get a positive test.

Given the degree that the right has fought, tooth and nail, every single effort to make this virus be less effective, I honestly don't see testing making an impact at all to them. They are just under 50% of the population (unvaxxed) and are 80-90% of hospitalizations (depending on what part). The easy button for everyone is a very free vaccine, so the same simple test isn't something I see them caring about.

Maybe it will, but it's also not nearly as effective as if they just got their free vaccination.

So to my point, I just don't see having free and easy to get tests that are also easy to administer as changing any behavior at all. At least in a significant way.
 
Ignore the negative connotation associated with the term “anti-vaxxer”. They use it to avoid having to explain why they think you should be forced to receive products made by habitually criminal companies that profit from perpetual disease and aren’t liable for injury or death.
 
“How do I make sure I don’t get an infectious disease?”

Fauci: “Avoid all the paranoid stuff, eat healthy, exercise, get good sleep.”

 
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Considering that 95% of COVID deaths had an avg of 4 comorbidites, and 78% of hospitalizations were in the overweight or obese, why didn’t the government or large companies incentivize and promote things that actually promote health?

Because this has nothing to do with health.
 
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rufus said:
The other long term issue is what does this do to our hospitals? Our schools?

How many doctors and nurses quit just cause they're so burned out from two years of this now? Seen too much death? Sick and tired of the families blaming them for their loved ones death, cause they wouldn't treat them with horse paste or malaria pills? Physically attacked them for it?

Government health department employees dealing with the anti-vaxxers doing the same. The threats, the intimidation?

Same with teachers, school boards and administrators. The anti-mask, anti-vaxxer mobs attacking them because they simply don't like the safety measures they are implementing. Using their numbers and threats to intimidate.

What does this loss of experience and expertise mean for our country in the long run? Does it ever recover from this, or has the damage been done?

There's so much more to this pandemic and its effects than just whether a person gets sick or not, lives or dies.
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It’s like I hacked your account. This post could not be any more on the money.
 
MichVandal said:
We have almost 2 solid years of info on how to battle this virus, and testing was one of the early ones.

And it was delayed, fought, etc.

The people to whom it would matter if they would know that info is very unlikely to do anything about it- between just testing when they get sick, or even quarantining when they get a positive test.

Given the degree that the right has fought, tooth and nail, every single effort to make this virus be less effective, I honestly don't see testing making an impact at all to them. They are just under 50% of the population (unvaxxed) and are 80-90% of hospitalizations (depending on what part). The easy button for everyone is a very free vaccine, so the same simple test isn't something I see them caring about.

Maybe it will, but it's also not nearly as effective as if they just got their free vaccination.

So to my point, I just don't see having free and easy to get tests that are also easy to administer as changing any behavior at all. At least in a significant way.
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I think you’re viewing Covid in some sort of binary terms and that doesn’t match the reality. The vast majority of the country is somewhere between those who are triple jabbed wearing two masks outside and those who refuse a vaccine and get all their Covid misinformation on Facebook. Just because some people refuse to take precautions doesn’t mean we should just give up. The 80th Anniversary of Pearl Harbor was a few days ago and we didn’t just give up after the Germans bombed us there.
 
Drew S. said:
I think you’re viewing Covid in some sort of binary terms and that doesn’t match the reality. The vast majority of the country is somewhere between those who are triple jabbed wearing two masks outside and those who refuse a vaccine and get all their Covid misinformation on Facebook. Just because some people refuse to take precautions doesn’t mean we should just give up. The 80th Anniversary of Pearl Harbor was a few days ago and we didn’t just give up after the Germans bombed us there.
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The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.
 
Drew S. said:
I think you’re viewing Covid in some sort of binary terms and that doesn’t match the reality. The vast majority of the country is somewhere between those who are triple jabbed wearing two masks outside and those who refuse a vaccine and get all their Covid misinformation on Facebook. Just because some people refuse to take precautions doesn’t mean we should just give up. The 80th Anniversary of Pearl Harbor was a few days ago and we didn’t just give up after the Germans bombed us there.
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If it happened tomorrow we would.
 
Drew S. said:
I think you’re viewing Covid in some sort of binary terms and that doesn’t match the reality. The vast majority of the country is somewhere between those who are triple jabbed wearing two masks outside and those who refuse a vaccine and get all their Covid misinformation on Facebook. Just because some people refuse to take precautions doesn’t mean we should just give up. The 80th Anniversary of Pearl Harbor was a few days ago and we didn’t just give up after the Germans bombed us there.
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So what do you suggest, then? Just saying the government should do more isn't a suggestion- as that needs to be followed up by what they need to do.

I'm not giving up, but I fail to see what can be done by the anti people and it will stick and matter. The only thing that has stuck for them is to ban vaccine mandates, ban mask mandates, and force schools to be open. And the right has done that with the states where they control the government. On top of that, they have prevented any other mandates by challenging them in court.

Other than just say "lets do more"- what more do you suggest that will stick and matter?
 
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