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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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ericredaxe said:
Appx 70% - 75% of the hospitalized patients in Maine have not been vaccinated. Appx 85% - 90% of ICU patients are unvaccinated.

Why would anyone want a stay at home order to protect people who (at least the majority) are too stupid to protect themselves by getting a free and easily available vaccine?

I see neither burnout as walrus describes nor resolve as Kepler describes. What I see is people realizing that if they are vaccinated (and especially if boosted) they can more or less live life normally while taking some easy precautions.
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You do realize all of the folks hospitalized with Covid take away from healthcare available to treat everything else right? What if you or a loved one was in a car accident and couldn’t get proper care? Not to mention what this is doing to our healthcare system. Wearing a mask or staying home is an incredibly small sacrifice to make.

There are more vaccinated people in hospital in Maine right now than there have been total people hospitalized for the vast majority of the pandemic.
 
Drew S. said:
You do realize all of the folks hospitalized with Covid take away from healthcare available to treat everything else right? What if you or a loved one was in a car accident and couldn’t get proper care? Not to mention what this is doing to our healthcare system. Wearing a mask or staying home is an incredibly small sacrifice to make.

There are more vaccinated people in hospital in Maine right now than there have been total people hospitalized for the vast majority of the pandemic.
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The solution is getting the unvaccinated idiots vaccinated, not in telling people who are vaccinated and boosted like you and I that we can’t go to Dicks Sporting Goods or that our vaccinated kids have to go to remote learning.
 
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It's "fewer."
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Wow
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My town of 600 has many cases of Covid going on, neighbors on 2 sides of me have had issues. I talked to a friend yesterday, a salesman I used to deal with before he retired has it and his wife is in hospital with it. Neither jabbed. Sounds like the wife is in bad shape, 64 yrs old. Everyone close to me has been jabbed, some with booster, others who plan to. People I work around are a different story, most have been jabbed but have no intention of getting booster. Some who have had Covid already think they can't get it again.
 
Discovered yesterday someone I know who's lost someone from Covid. I don't know her personally, but she's someone active in the local theater and arts community. Had her parents visit her a couple months ago, even took them to the local county fair, the biggest in Maine, and now her mom died at the end of November, her dad still in ICU. Not saying its related, but seems pretty likely.

First person I know definitively who's had someone die from Covid.
 
Drew S. said:
You do realize all of the folks hospitalized with Covid take away from healthcare available to treat everything else right? What if you or a loved one was in a car accident and couldn’t get proper care? Not to mention what this is doing to our healthcare system. Wearing a mask or staying home is an incredibly small sacrifice to make.

There are more vaccinated people in hospital in Maine right now than there have been total people hospitalized for the vast majority of the pandemic.
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Im still trying to digest that last paragraph???
An overwhelming majority of the hospitalized are unvaxed. The small minority that is vaxed and hospitalized, are due a booster or were quite ill and compromised already.
 
Drew S. said:
You do realize all of the folks hospitalized with Covid take away from healthcare available to treat everything else right? What if you or a loved one was in a car accident and couldn’t get proper care? Not to mention what this is doing to our healthcare system. Wearing a mask or staying home is an incredibly small sacrifice to make.

There are more vaccinated people in hospital in Maine right now than there have been total people hospitalized for the vast majority of the pandemic.
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You should look at your own data. Just a quick look at it, there have been 448 total breakthrough cases that have been hospitalized. Total for the last 12 months. There are currently 375 people hospitalized, so if you think those 448 are most of what there, ok... Especially when you compare deaths- of the 1365, 187 are breakthrough.

Also, the vaccinated are less likely to need ICU or be on a ventilator.

So until the vaccinated are the ones taking over hospital resources, lets not get out of hand.

Even though the unvaccinated account for less than half of the population, they account for a massive amount of our resources.
 
MichVandal said:
You should look at your own data. Just a quick look at it, there have been 448 total breakthrough cases that have been hospitalized. Total for the last 12 months. There are currently 375 people hospitalized, so if you think those 448 are most of what there, ok... Especially when you compare deaths- of the 1365, 187 are breakthrough.

Also, the vaccinated are less likely to need ICU or be on a ventilator.

So until the vaccinated are the ones taking over hospital resources, lets not get out of hand.

Even though the unvaccinated account for less than half of the population, they account for a massive amount of our resources.
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What? Whether people are vaccinated or not having Covid patients overrun hospitals takes away health care available for every other ailment. Not to mention doctors and nurses are close to/at their breaking point. If I have to make a small sacrifice to help them I am happy to do that.
 
Drew S. said:
What? Whether people are vaccinated or not having Covid patients overrun hospitals takes away health care available for every other ailment. Not to mention doctors and nurses are close to/at their breaking point. If I have to make a small sacrifice to help them I am happy to do that.
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Some more data for you- Michigan is 61% for 1, a little over 55% for full- according this, which was released a week ago

Based on recent data from most Michigan health systems, MHA has found that three out of four COVID patients are unvaccinated (76%), 87% of COVID ICU patients are unvaccinated and 88% of COVID ventilator patients are unvaccinated.
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Unvaccinated are less than 1/2 the population, but are 3/4 of all hospitalizations, and almost 90% of ICU and ventilated. The reduction in all rates to the vaccinated levels would relieve all hospitals to far closer to normal levels, especially critical care.

Vaccinated people are not the ones overrunning the hospitals.
 
MichVandal said:
Some more data for you- Michigan is 61% for 1, a little over 55% for full- according this, which was released a week ago



Unvaccinated are less than 1/2 the population, but are 3/4 of all hospitalizations, and almost 90% of ICU and ventilated. The reduction in all rates to the vaccinated levels would relieve all hospitals to far closer to normal levels, especially critical care.

Vaccinated people are not the ones overrunning the hospitals.
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You’ve spectacularly missed the point.
 
walrus said:
My town of 600 has many cases of Covid going on, neighbors on 2 sides of me have had issues. I talked to a friend yesterday, a salesman I used to deal with before he retired has it and his wife is in hospital with it. Neither jabbed. Sounds like the wife is in bad shape, 64 yrs old. Everyone close to me has been jabbed, some with booster, others who plan to. People I work around are a different story, most have been jabbed but have no intention of getting booster. Some who have had Covid already think they can't get it again.
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I was more reacting to the General Mills quip. So I assume that was a typo?
 
Drew S. said:
You’ve spectacularly missed the point.
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No, you're talking past each other.

Facts:
  • Most people are vaccinated
  • Most hospitalized people are unvaccinated
  • There are still a lot of vaccinated people in the hospital, who also require care
These are not mutually exclusive. Get the unvaccinated vaccinated and spread dies to a point where hospitals aren't full. This is the key. The fact that there are many vaccinated in the hospital is a math issue, but that's focusing on counting stats and not rate stats.
 
Swansong said:
No, you're talking past each other.

Facts:
  • Most people are vaccinated
  • Most hospitalized people are unvaccinated
  • There are still a lot of vaccinated people in the hospital, who also require care
These are not mutually exclusive. Get the unvaccinated vaccinated and spread dies to a point where hospitals aren't full. This is the key. The fact that there are many vaccinated in the hospital is a math issue, but that's focusing on counting stats and not rate stats.
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That is the point I'm trying to make. Vaccination = roughly making COVID like the flu. Unvaccination = overwhelmed hospitals.

This is still 90% on the shoulders of the morons who refuse to get a vaccine.
 
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