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SJHovey said:
I get that the stock response around here to issues like this is that we just need to throw more money at them. Sure, I suppose that if we start paying third grade teachers $2 million/year, we'll have a surplus of third grade teachers.

This is not a unique problem for teachers. Or for restaurant/bar servers, or any other position. I'm not really aware of too many areas where we aren't seeing a shortage of licensed/trained/capable employment candidates.
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A first step would be to stop the defunding of the education system. And it's interesting that you call restoring funding back to old levels as "throwing money at it". We can just go back to the 80's when public schools were strong, and we didn't need to take a massive loan to go to college.
 
MichVandal said:
Depends on the location, as I see it. And the R effort to gut education is going to hurt them the most. Just like COVID has long term. At some point, someone is going to see the difference, and they will be forced to change, but that's going to take a while. This is where the industrialization of farming is going to benefit society vs. the small farmers who can't be bothered with education (and that's not ALL small farmers, but the ones who are part of the fight against education and COVID help.
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Strongly disagree with this. I think there are a lot of people center or center-left who have an axe to grind with their local school system for one reason or another.
 
We have been systematically gutting government institutions since 1980. That we expect our outcomes to be better after doing that is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Public Schools won't exist anymore in 50 years.
 
SJHovey said:
Schools were having a difficulty finding teachers before Covid, especially in certain teaching areas and geographic areas.
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This isn't about finding them, this is about keeping them.

And there was no district in The Cities that was having real issues finding teachers. Trust me when I tell you it was hard finding a job beyond subbing. (it is why I teach where I teach and I let my license lapse) I spent years looking and never even got an interview. Now EVERY district in The Cities in every subject is looking for multiple teachers at all levels. It is a catastrophic problem.
 
Handyman said:
This isn't about finding them, this is about keeping them.

And there was no district in The Cities that was having real issues finding teachers. Trust me when I tell you it was hard finding a job beyond subbing. (it is why I teach where I teach and I let my license lapse) I spent years looking and never even got an interview. Now EVERY district in The Cities in every subject is looking for multiple teachers at all levels. It is a catastrophic problem.
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It's not a one size fits all problem. Rural school districts may have problems attracting candidates in any field. In the more urban districts, like Minneapolis or St. Paul, they have problems attracting candidates in certain fields or specialties, or teachers of diverse racial backgrounds. But to say that schools weren't struggling with keeping and retaining teachers prior to Covid is ignoring the situation, imho. Covid obviously hasn't helped, but has it helped any employment situation?
 
MichVandal said:
To me, it depends on the location. IMHO, a vaccine mandate here in Ann Arbor will go over really well. In some town in West Michigan, the schools will crumble.
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Agreed. Adding the Covid vaccine to the list of required school immunizations would be favored by a significant majority in my home town. Of course there will be some loud vocal assholes who would speak out against it.
 
just got my Moderna booster (first dose was back in January). Now I wonder if I'll need an omicron specific booster in a few months (I believe Moderna has indicated they could have an omicron vaccine update ready by February)
 
BassAle said:
just got my Moderna booster (first dose was back in January). Now I wonder if I'll need an omicron specific booster in a few months (I believe Moderna has indicated they could have an omicron vaccine update ready by February)
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They said the same about a Delta-specific booster too. The nice thing about mRNA technology is that it's easy to make minor changes to tweak it. The issue is the testing/approvals. The FDA/CDC have shown a preference for slow and deliberate process, to the detriment of many people's health, and haven't really indicated that they'd allow a modified vaccine to skip the full slate of clinical trials as far as I'm aware (though I'm open to being wrong here).


There is a LOT of very mixed information on Omicron. It's probably best to ignore the media for a couple of weeks (or, you know, like, forever) and let the researchers figure it out. Right now we're getting incendiary and scare-mongering nonsense and not much more.
 
Swansong said:
They said the same about a Delta-specific booster too. The nice thing about mRNA technology is that it's easy to make minor changes to tweak it. The issue is the testing/approvals. The FDA/CDC have shown a preference for slow and deliberate process, to the detriment of many people's health, and haven't really indicated that they'd allow a modified vaccine to skip the full slate of clinical trials as far as I'm aware (though I'm open to being wrong here).


There is a LOT of very mixed information on Omicron. It's probably best to ignore the media for a couple of weeks (or, you know, like, forever) and let the researchers figure it out. Right now we're getting incendiary and scare-mongering nonsense and not much more.
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They found the existing vaccine provided good enough protection from Delta, especially from severe disease. Moderna does not sound as hopeful for Omicron, but who knows right now. They're not even sure it will outcompete Delta at this point.

What I've read is that the approval process for an update of this kind would be relatively quick, and wouldn't need a phase III clinical trial. It would just require a few dozen volunteers to prove efficacy and it wouldn't need a full safety review.
 
BassAle said:
They found the existing vaccine provided good enough protection from Delta, especially from severe disease. Moderna does not sound as hopeful for Omicron, but who knows right now. They're not even sure it will outcompete Delta at this point.

What I've read is that the approval process for an update of this kind would be relatively quick, and wouldn't need a phase III clinical trial. It would just require a few dozen volunteers to prove efficacy and it wouldn't need a full safety review.
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I think the bolded is key. To my understanding, it hasn't really "gone up against Delta" in a meaningful way yet. Beta looked terrifying but Delta buried it. Gamma, Lambda and Mu were all crowded out by Delta as well and have been relegated to regional issues. Omicron might do the same.


Or it may reset everything. We just don't know yet, and the media shamefully spending hours on it (either scare mongering or mocking/dismissing) doesn't help anyone.
 
MichVandal said:
To me, it depends on the location. IMHO, a vaccine mandate here in Ann Arbor will go over really well. In some town in West Michigan, the schools will crumble.
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I live in a Blue Area in a Blue Suburb of a Blue City in a Blue State...it will get pushback here. (our dickhead Mayor is against it cause Jesus)

You are asking low ranking administrators and school boards to implement a policy that half the people will fight to the death over. How well did that go over in Virginia?

You can't piecemeal your way through this...all it will take is one judge to throw the whole thing off and even if it does go into effect you will have kids being forced to transfer by their fucknut parents. The lowest level this can come from is the State level cause at least Governors can usually weather the storm.
 
Swansong said:
I think the bolded is key. To my understanding, it hasn't really "gone up against Delta" in a meaningful way yet. Beta looked terrifying but Delta buried it. Gamma, Lambda and Mu were all crowded out by Delta as well and have been relegated to regional issues. Omicron might do the same.


Or it may reset everything. We just don't know yet, and the media shamefully spending hours on it (either scare mongering or mocking/dismissing) doesn't help anyone.
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Right now all we can do is go off what the doctors in SA are saying which makes it sound like the same stuff we heard about COVID originally. Younger people tend to have milder symptoms the risk is with the old.
 
ericredaxe said:
Agreed. Adding the Covid vaccine to the list of required school immunizations would be favored by a significant majority in my home town. Of course there will be some loud vocal *******s who would speak out against it.
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It’s unethical to require, mandate, force, whichever term you want to spin with, a medical treatment that someone does not have a medical need for.

As if that wasn’t enough, it is absurd to do so with a treatment that does not offer immunity and does not stop infection.

#FreakShow
 
SJHovey said:
I get that the stock response around here to issues like this is that we just need to throw more money at them. Sure, I suppose that if we start paying third grade teachers $2 million/year, we'll have a surplus of third grade teachers.

This is not a unique problem for teachers. Or for restaurant/bar servers, or any other position. I'm not really aware of too many areas where we aren't seeing a shortage of licensed/trained/capable employment candidates.
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"But the immigrants are stealing our jahbs!!!!"
 
SJHovey said:
It's not a one size fits all problem. Rural school districts may have problems attracting candidates in any field.
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And why is it that backwards bumfuck places have trouble finding educated and qualified people who want to work there?
 
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